Climate change is caused by human generated CO2 emissions

[Bagpuss]

Mailman, is he real?
I often wondered does he feel?
He has such forthright opinions
with the "tree hugging dominions"
the more ill informed the better
I bet he has a tank-top sweater
can he really be this way?
or is he just a right wing gay?

[Mailman]

1 scientific paper against the weight of hundreds, it must be right!

Here's a paper that proves smoking is good for you..

http://technocrat.net/d/2006/3/7/1197

Yes, and at one stage it was Michaelangelo against scientific proof trying to prove the world was round!

Mailman

Edited so Bagpuss wouldnt be confused anymore!

[Churchill]

Surely you're not suggesting they might have a hidden agenda?

Oi Zeity!!! Have you got any of that home made bovril left?

I don't fancy the marmalade!

[ratewhore]

Who are they?

Formed in 2002, the The Scientific Alliance is a UK-based organisation of industry-friendly experts, "committed to rational discussion and debate on the challenges facing the environment today" [1], and populated by many of Britain's most prominent biotechnology enthusiasts and climate change sceptics.

The Scientific Alliance are advised by Foresight Communications. The executive handling the Scientific Alliance account is Mark Adams OBE, who was a private secretary for parliamentary affairs at No. 10 for nearly four years. He also worked as private secretary to Tony Blair for six months after the 1997 election.

Foresight Communications Ltd is a rapidly growing public relations company, specialising in political consultancy. It was established on 6 January 2001 by former Downing Street insider, Mark Adams, the most senior former civil servant in political consultancy, and includes highly qualified consultants with experience at the heart of political parties, and at the centre of government, including ministerial office. [1]

[sasguru]

Yet again, Dim crustacean proving he's worthy of the CUK village idiot role. The organisation behind this paper is linked to Exxon-Mobil, as some cursory research will show.

Next!

[SallyAnne]

That's all the proof I need to keep smoking - nice one!!

Excelent - just when I was starting to think there might be something in this lung cancer thingy...woohoooo!!

[freakydancer]

1 scientific paper against the weight of hundreds, it must be right!

Here's a paper that proves smoking is good for you..

http://technocrat.net/d/2006/3/7/1197

That's all the proof I need to keep smoking - nice one!!

[Bagpuss]

http://www.scientific-alliance.com/n...o2tempdata.htm

First of all, and constituting the centerpiece of the important new paper, plots of δD vs. CO2 derived from the earlier and latter portions of the Dome C ice core (comprising, respectively, marine isotope stages 1-11 and 12-16) and a similar plot from the well-known Vostok ice core are all seen to have essentially the same slope, which suggests, in the words of Siegenthaler et al., "that the coupling of Antarctic temperature and CO2 did not change substantially during the last 650 ky [thousand years]," or as Brook (2005) puts it in his Perspective about the new work, "that climate and greenhouse gas cycles are intimately related."

We agree with both of these assessments. However, the more important question to be resolved is which parameter is doing the major forcing and which is simply following the other's lead.

In investigating this question, Siegenthaler et al. say they obtained the best correlation between CO2 and temperature "for a lag of CO2 of 1900 years." Specifically, over the course of glacial terminations V to VII, they indicate that "the highest correlation of CO2 and deuterium, with use of a 20-ky window for each termination, yields a lag of CO2 to deuterium of 800, 1600, and 2800 years, respectively." In addition, they note that "this value is consistent with estimates based on data from the past four glacial cycles," citing in this regard the work of Fischer et al. (1999), Monnin et al. (2001) and Caillon et al. (2003). Clearly, therefore, it is temperature that is the robust leader in this tightly-coupled relationship, while CO2 is but the humble follower, providing only a fraction (which could well be miniscule) - of the total glacial-to-interglacial temperature change.

This observation does little to inspire confidence in climate-alarmist claims that the CO2 produced by the burning of fossil fuels will lead to catastrophic temperature increases, which predicted warmings, in some of their scenarios, rival those experienced in glacial-to-interglacial transitions. Nevertheless, Siegenthaler et al. stubbornly state that the new findings "do not cast doubt ... on the importance of CO2 as a key amplification factor [our italics] of the large observed temperature variations of glacial cycles."

In vivid contrast to this unsupported contention, it is our opinion that when temperature leads CO2 by thousands of years, during both glacial terminations and inceptions (Genthon et al., 1987; Fischer et al., 1999; Petit et al., 1999; Clark and Mix, 2000; Indermuhle et al., 2000; Monnin et al., 2001; Mudelsee, 2001; Caillon et al., 2003), there is plenty of reason to believe that CO2 plays but a minor role in enhancing temperature changes that are clearly induced by something else, which latter italicized point is an undisputed fact that is clearly born out by the new ice core data.



Or to put it another way, the level of CO2 lags the temperature change. Something natural (e.g. solar, Earths orbit) changes the global temps, this affects natures ability to process CO2 and the levels change. It's got feck all to do with fossil fuels.

I thank you.



Sell the Prius and fire up the V8! Yeee haaaa!!!!!!1

1 scientific paper against the weight of hundreds, it must be right!

Here's a paper that proves smoking is good for you..

http://technocrat.net/d/2006/3/7/1197

[andy]

I ,Al Gordo hereby return all the green taxes collected so far.

Gordon Brown

[DimPrawn]

http://www.scientific-alliance.com/n...o2tempdata.htm

First of all, and constituting the centerpiece of the important new paper, plots of δD vs. CO2 derived from the earlier and latter portions of the Dome C ice core (comprising, respectively, marine isotope stages 1-11 and 12-16) and a similar plot from the well-known Vostok ice core are all seen to have essentially the same slope, which suggests, in the words of Siegenthaler et al., "that the coupling of Antarctic temperature and CO2 did not change substantially during the last 650 ky [thousand years]," or as Brook (2005) puts it in his Perspective about the new work, "that climate and greenhouse gas cycles are intimately related."

We agree with both of these assessments. However, the more important question to be resolved is which parameter is doing the major forcing and which is simply following the other's lead.

In investigating this question, Siegenthaler et al. say they obtained the best correlation between CO2 and temperature "for a lag of CO2 of 1900 years." Specifically, over the course of glacial terminations V to VII, they indicate that "the highest correlation of CO2 and deuterium, with use of a 20-ky window for each termination, yields a lag of CO2 to deuterium of 800, 1600, and 2800 years, respectively." In addition, they note that "this value is consistent with estimates based on data from the past four glacial cycles," citing in this regard the work of Fischer et al. (1999), Monnin et al. (2001) and Caillon et al. (2003). Clearly, therefore, it is temperature that is the robust leader in this tightly-coupled relationship, while CO2 is but the humble follower, providing only a fraction (which could well be miniscule) - of the total glacial-to-interglacial temperature change.

This observation does little to inspire confidence in climate-alarmist claims that the CO2 produced by the burning of fossil fuels will lead to catastrophic temperature increases, which predicted warmings, in some of their scenarios, rival those experienced in glacial-to-interglacial transitions. Nevertheless, Siegenthaler et al. stubbornly state that the new findings "do not cast doubt ... on the importance of CO2 as a key amplification factor [our italics] of the large observed temperature variations of glacial cycles."

In vivid contrast to this unsupported contention, it is our opinion that when temperature leads CO2 by thousands of years, during both glacial terminations and inceptions (Genthon et al., 1987; Fischer et al., 1999; Petit et al., 1999; Clark and Mix, 2000; Indermuhle et al., 2000; Monnin et al., 2001; Mudelsee, 2001; Caillon et al., 2003), there is plenty of reason to believe that CO2 plays but a minor role in enhancing temperature changes that are clearly induced by something else, which latter italicized point is an undisputed fact that is clearly born out by the new ice core data.



Or to put it another way, the level of CO2 lags the temperature change. Something natural (e.g. solar, Earths orbit) changes the global temps, this affects natures ability to process CO2 and the levels change. It's got feck all to do with fossil fuels.

I thank you.



Sell the Prius and fire up the V8! Yeee haaaa!!!!!!1