Reply to: A case for the death penalty?

[John Galt]

[QUOTE=SallyAnne]

I dont agree with most of this John, as per usual.

Society is more than just people. Its social conditions, customs, expectations, traditions, laws, identity - I could go on.

Not all people have a choice in their actions. For reasons I explained earlier, I believe people are often products of their environment, products of the cards they (or thier parents) have been dealt, products are their aspirations and abilities, and products of their wealth and status. Not all people have a real choice. And in my opinion, its no choice at all if the alternative is either starvation, poverty, misery, sufferring, etc. I can even understand to some extent when the alternative is boredom.

I dont believe in the flippant comment about people having to help themselves either - I actually believe in our taxes, our healthcare system, our education system...I believe in the rich helping the poor, the educated advising the un-educated, etc.

Sally Ann you absolutely have to be a young twenty-something to have had this rubbish drummed into you. Give me an example of someone not having a choice - everything you have quoted is just an excuse. Everyone, unless they are a sociopath or phsycopath has a basic sense of right and wrong; if people then chose to commit a crime they must accept full responsibility for their actions and not blame 'society' (which incidentally goes back to what Margaret Thatcher was talking about)

[DimPrawn]

It cost approxiamately £200K per year to incarcerate someone no wonder we are all paying lots of taxes.

That is the biggest crime of all. Ship all the crims to South American, African and Asian countries. They get good jobs in security and we get a 70% cut in prison costs.

[expat]

the tories stuck the DVLA in Wales to create jobs.

It has always puzzled me how moving an office, with its employees, is called "creating jobs".

[BigPhill]

Crime in Britain

The cases you have highlighted are terrible, but if you look at other countries who have harsher punishments like China and singapore their crime rates are very low in comparrison. China still has the death penalty as do many other countries. The problem is for justice to be done it has to be perceived to be done not only by the individuals who are affected but by the masses aswell to discourage them from doing similar acts.
So called petty crime is on the increase especially by teenagers who know they can't be touched, and what will they get up to when they are older. I say clamp down on all criminals and make justice swift. If that means bringing back the death penalty then so be it.
I say bring back corporal punishment for young offenders like in Singapore and see if the crime rate drops then....
It cost approxiamately £200K per year to incarcerate someone no wonder we are all paying lots of taxes.

[interested]

Fondly known as the brothel on the hill...

Do tell.............

[interested]

Men and young lads in prison now, would have more than likely gone into ship building or mining straight from school. Instead, them (like their dads/uncles/brothers) haven't really got a lot, turn to crime, yadda yadda yawn.

So you think the government at the time should have subsidised those industries which were essentially economically unviable - and if they had done so, then these people you talk of would not have turned to crime?


Bogeyman - the tories stuck the DVLA in Wales to create jobs.

[Spartacus]

Let's have some sense in the law though. Money is cheap, life, or ruining someones life is not. Rob a post office (without violence) should be a lower sentence than child abuse or any sort of physical assault aginst the person.

But the law isn't constructed historically or now in terms of the effect of the crime on an individual, but on its effect on the state, "society" if you will. In such a system the effect of robbing a post office is greater than the effect of ruining someone's life.

Not saying this is "right", but that is how law the (western) world over works. It's not about vengeance or wrong-righting at the individual level.

[Bagpuss]

That is and always has been the case. Dates back to the times when life was cheap, it was property and chattels that had value so crimes against them were the most harshly punished.

Myself, I am against the death penalty for anyone, no matter how heinous the crime.

Let's have some sense in the law though. Money is cheap, life, or ruining someones life is not. Rob a post office (without violence) should be a lower sentence than child abuse or any sort of physical assault aginst the person.

[oloks]

Or better still use them for lab testings instead of chimps and rats...since they are lower than animals....

[Spartacus]

One thing that is disgracefull about our legal system is had he not killed the girl he would have been out in 18 months. Had he robbed a post office he'd be looking at 5-10. Money is more important then life in the eyes of the law.

That is and always has been the case. Dates back to the times when life was cheap, it was property and chattels that had value so crimes against them were the most harshly punished.

Myself, I am against the death penalty for anyone, no matter how heinous the crime.

[Bagpuss]

Castrate them..!!!!

They can still get errections

[oloks]

Castrate them..!!!!

[Bagpuss]

One thing that is disgracefull about our legal system is had he not killed the girl he would have been out in 18 months. Had he robbed a post office he'd be looking at 5-10. Money is more important then life in the eyes of the law.

[SallyAnne]

So none of you considers these people to be mentally ill?
Their sexual preference may not be a choice, just like gays.

[The Lone Gunman]

So none of you considers these people to be mentally ill?
Their sexual preference may not be a choice, just like gays.

Killing her is possibly their reaction to the revulsion they feel for what they have done.




TLG: <duck and cover>