Reply to: Terror target named.....

[ImNotFromIndia]

There's something odd about this. How did the police know? How come there were so many mozzies involved?

And the victim - curiously these terrorists have chosen someone who, if they killed him, would generate great sympathy by the population at large for ordinary mozzies, which would dampen down the anti-mozzy voices.

I might be wrong, but something in the back of me mind tells me this is a load of concocted bollocks.

I maybe wrong ... but the arrest of Bliar's mates and the messes at the Home Office might be a perfectly good reason to have this raid NOW!!!

[Buffoon]

Hmm. I don't know. Buff, I think you should ask God. Have a good curry at lunchtime. Let us know what he says.

I am gaging for a ruby, but I'm under doctors orders to lay off the binge drinking and bloater nosh for a bit.

I am not happy

[Mailman]

Anyone see the Abraham Lincoln impersonator this morning on the beeb?

He was whinging that the police should have gone to them first before arresting these guys so that they could resolve the problems without any further fuss.

Of course what Abe misses complete is the very fact that they HAD not done anything to stop these jihadi's means they had no idea what was going on!

They had some other extra from star wars talking about how the police are dividing the community when they should be realising that they are part of the problem (by not doing anything to combat the extremists in their ranks).

But lets be honest here, the war in Iraq did not create this problem. This problem was created by the lack of border controls on the morons you let in to this country. I mean, why would you let in a mad moolah who has absolutely no connection to this country, adds nothing culturally and only sucks resources out of society instead of contributing to it.

Then there are those morons like "Trevor the Muslim" who are allowed to preach their hatred without an eye lid being batted!

Mailman

[wendigo100]

I’m not saying that the latest anti-terrorist activity ISN’T a smokescreen to divert attention from B’Liar’s other problems, but wouldn’t it be easier just to eliminate Yates of the Yard, or just scare him off. It would be easier to arrange for kiddie porn to be found on his computer than to make up this story in Birmingham.

Wouldn't it look a bit convenient if Yates was framed? Also, Yates is not the only police officer on the case, there's plenty of others.

A terrorist threat is best for diverting attention, and it makes the beleagered Home Office look a bit better too.

Hmm. I don't know. Buff, I think you should ask God. Have a good curry at lunchtime. Let us know what he says.

[Buffoon]

Too obvious.

So - never stopped them in the past!

You're obviously not nearly paranoid enough...

Check my previous post.

[Lucifer Box]

Bread and Circuses, LB.

It's worked for millenia.

EastEnders or anti-terrorist bollox?

[Buffoon]

I might be wrong, but something in the back of me mind tells me this is a load of concocted bollocks.

I’m not saying that the latest anti-terrorist activity ISN’T a smokescreen to divert attention from B’Liar’s other problems, but wouldn’t it be easier just to eliminate Yates of the Yard, or just scare him off. It would be easier to arrange for kiddie porn to be found on his computer than to make up this story in Birmingham.

[Buffoon]

The terrorist are really going about this the wrong way. These spectaculars, as they used to be called in the IRA days, create images that isolate them from the daily lives of the population. This in fact makes them easier to fight. Bombs in the capital or kidnappings are rallying points for the state too.

If *** I *** was doing this I would use the democratic process against the politicians. For example, each member of the cabinet is fundamentally an MP and MP’s can be deselected or voted out. If each member of the cabinet had his own constituency attacked with the clear message to the voters and party workers there that the attacks would continue on the population until the MP changed their activities or they were no longer an MP though being deselected or voted out, then the terrorists would find that they would have more effect for less effort. Above all else, an MP desires power. To gain power over them you need to attack the source of that power, specifically their own voters and party structure.

I am in one seriously bad mood today!

[The Lone Gunman]

TLG, perhaps you can clear something up for me. My (I think wrong) understanding was that the general belief from the Koran was you became an infidel by rejecting Allah (and then you are fair game for death). I thought it was only some of the more radicals that extended this.

It is a bit difficult to interpret as I am not a Muslim, but most of the Koran is indifferent to infidels. However those who have turned from the path are to be put to death, so there does seem to be a stronger hatred for those who have rejected Islam.

This is only my opinion developed from reading the Koran and some of the Hadith.

[ASB]

Basically they see this guy as an ex-Muslim, a worse person than an infidel.

TLG, perhaps you can clear something up for me. My (I think wrong) understanding was that the general belief from the Koran was you became an infidel by rejecting Allah (and then you are fair game for death). I thought it was only some of the more radicals that extended this.

[gingerjedi]

They are sending a message to other Muslims who may not be behind the cause that you are either with us or against us, you can no longer sit on the fence.

Isn't that what David Cameron said when he addressed the muslims in brum? The battle lines are being drawn and the community is getting more divided, Its the elders who are shocked by all this whilst the youngsters feel more marginalised and instantly jeer the police for arresting there brothers rather than show any sign of abhorrence.

[stackpole]

Sunnysan, I agree, you've expanded on what I said earlier. This is news manipulation. How the feck can anyone know what is really going on with a government like this?

Tell you what, they never said a minister was the target because too many people would sympathise with the terrorists!

[The Lone Gunman]

To the confused:

They chose a Muslim who is a soldier to make a point.
There is nothing logical to these chaps, only a twisted take on Islam.

Basically they see this guy as an ex-Muslim, a worse person than an infidel. Someone who knows the true way but has chosen to turn his back on it.
They are sending a message to other Muslims who may not be behind the cause that you are either with us or against us, you can no longer sit on the fence.
Probably in the hope of radicalisation of the Muslim masses due to fear.

IMO. At the same time as using their religious beliefs to invent a cause they are ignoring a lot of other teachings and are infact (ironically) turning their backs on the teachings of Islam.
The radicals will win, purely because they are driven.

[sunnysan]

Confused

I am a bit confused about all this.

If you look at this logically as oppossed to theologically, what does "Al-Quaeda" or any other fundementalist Muslim group have to gain from from kidnapping and torturing a Muslim British soldier.

Surely this would only further alienate mariginal sympathisers from the UK muslim community? It makes no political sense to do this. If they kidnapped and tortured a white UK figurehead/politician they would incite a total collapse of multiculturalism and a race war which would buy them far more converts than killing a fellow muslim

Unless it was just a bunch of hotheads trying to emulate the "holy warriors" in Iraq. Which would mean it is about the same as same kid in Idaho playing Grand Theft Auto and then mowing down a whole bunch of people with an Uzi in his home town.

Maybe this is more about disaffected youth than terrorism?

At the moment there is no proof of any of the allegations anyway and we have been down this road before? Huge publicity, sealed of streets, 24 hour news coverage and then a few weeks later they release all suspects without charge and compensation to shut up.

Not sure about this one yet, but if I had to take a stab in the dark it will all blow over with no significant charges. Maybe they will find porn on a computer again?

Anyway lets see

[Lucifer Box]

I might be wrong, but something in the back of me mind tells me this is a load of concocted bollocks.

It's funny, earlier on in the week I said to Mrs Lucifer on hearing of the re-arrest of Lord Levy and seeing the papers wetting themselves over it in the morning, "expect to see some big anti-terrorist bollox on the news tomorrow".

I'm not sure whether she listened or not. I think she was watching EastEnders.