Reply to: Super-rich prepare to leave UK 'within minutes' if Labour wins election

[DimPrawn]

Tax == Massive waste + Bloated Public Sector

Lean and mean, zero taxes is about right.

Okay, 1% taxation would be acceptable.

[Zigenare]

There are various useful charts from the OECD website, I recommend having a browse.

https://data.oecd.org/chart/5FaW

Have a play yourself and add selective countries and averages to see just how low the UK is compared to selective fully developed EU countries and even countries around the world:

Tax - Tax revenue - OECD Data

As you can see from this graph, the UK is quite low on the scale and below the average spend; consider that many OECD countries are not fully developed (but are not developing like Brazil, Russia, India or China) it's clear the UK needs higher tax revenue in order to provide higher quality services. If we want better services then the paranoia about various slight tax increases on higher earners needs to be relaxed, as if you fancy being Lithuania economically then why not just go and live there instead?

People need to accept that having more tax in your own pocket will be removed anyway by increased private healthcare and services costs to the extent that you'll not be any better off and you won't get better treatment or services. See: USA.

How's your new contract at HMRC progressing?

[rogerfederer]

Or rather all/most of the mainland European countries... Even countries like Portugal, Spain or Italy with their very inefficient public service has probably better quality of public services than the average you get in the UK!

There are various useful charts from the OECD website, I recommend having a browse.

https://data.oecd.org/chart/5FaW

Have a play yourself and add selective countries and averages to see just how low the UK is compared to selective fully developed EU countries and even countries around the world:

Tax - Tax revenue - OECD Data

As you can see from this graph, the UK is quite low on the scale and below the average spend; consider that many OECD countries are not fully developed (but are not developing like Brazil, Russia, India or China) it's clear the UK needs higher tax revenue in order to provide higher quality services. If we want better services then the paranoia about various slight tax increases on higher earners needs to be relaxed, as if you fancy being Lithuania economically then why not just go and live there instead?

People need to accept that having more tax in your own pocket will be removed anyway by increased private healthcare and services costs to the extent that you'll not be any better off and you won't get better treatment or services. See: USA.

[BR14]

By my mates you mean people that actually travel and have other term of comparison other than Hull or Middlesbrough to make their own opinions?

no

[CryingSheep]

not everything, just whining feckers like you and your mates.

By my mates you mean people that actually travel and have other term of comparison other than Hull or Middlesbrough to make their own opinions?

[BR14]

That's your solution for everything!?

I'm not too worried as I have enough to not need to rely on public services, was just trying to think on other less fortunate people...

To be honest the tulipty weather worries me more and that not even all the money in the world can change

not everything, just whining feckers like you and your mates.

[CryingSheep]

there you go, then.
stop whining on here and feck off.

HTH.

That's your solution for everything!?

I'm not too worried as I have enough to not need to rely on public services, was just trying to think on other less fortunate people...

To be honest the tulipty weather worries me more and that not even all the money in the world can change

[BR14]

Totally agree. I've met/worked with many people from those countries who do pay more in tax but get better public services and crucially, on many indices, have a better quality of life than people in the UK.

Not sure if there is an equivalent Social Democratic type party in Netherlands, Belgium and France but those countries seem to have broadly similar principles of higher taxes but much better services/quality of life too. Maybe Canada too, not sure?

Or rather all/most of the mainland European countries... Even countries like Portugal, Spain or Italy with their very inefficient public service has probably better quality of public services than the average you get in the UK!

there you go, then.
stop whining on here and feck off.

HTH.

[CryingSheep]

Totally agree. I've met/worked with many people from those countries who do pay more in tax but get better public services and crucially, on many indices, have a better quality of life than people in the UK.

Not sure if there is an equivalent Social Democratic type party in Netherlands, Belgium and France but those countries seem to have broadly similar principles of higher taxes but much better services/quality of life too. Maybe Canada too, not sure?

Or rather all/most of the mainland European countries... Even countries like Portugal, Spain or Italy with their very inefficient public service has probably better quality of public services than the average you get in the UK!

[edison]

I think that you are all polarised.

The current Conservatives without moderates are right wing, not far right wing, but, crucially, incompetent when it comes to money and the economy. The fact that is has been published today they've tried to use the independent civil service to try to discredit Labour's plans instead of enrolling the civil service to help create their own plans shows that they ahve zero plans of their own - damning. No brexit impact assessments, no true plans except false promises of spend, spend, spend; it's all very 1980's and backwards.

Labour's current lot aren't far left, just as the Tories aren't far right. They're just left. It seems to be the opposite side flinging badges around without recognising the traits of their own party.

I strongly suspect that brexiteers - former Labour/LibDem voters - will vote for the brexit party or, at a push, the New Conservatives.

Voting based on a single issue is moronic, but I suspect the brexit crowd with 'normal' jobs will go for the brexit party to spite the Conservatives or stick with the Conservatives.

The outcome is likely a hung parliament.
The best outcome for the country is a softer elongated brexit, to allow time for the country to adapt to the new world, with a heavily limited Labour government supported by the Green Party, LibDems, SNP and the welsh Plaid.

Why? Simple: the EU I've seen provided worker protections and mandated working conditions that have seen the lot improved over the decades. Given what the Tories are instigating on the consulting and contractor industry I have zero doubt this will be applied within a couple of years to normal working folk.
This would likely involved an increase to 45 hours/week, removal of rights to flexible working requests for employees and all the things that make life that little bit easier for the working family on low to average income - keeping in mind that not everybody has the brains of acuity of thought to work in complex jobs I think we should remain a considerate country to those who still work hard by providing better conditions to such people.

As someone who is originally an outsider I see the current New Conservative party, minus the moderates, as a real danger to the UK. You may not see the wood for the trees but I can assure you, having worked in the USA, that it's an awful environment to work in when worker rights are diluted or entirely removed and, given the incompetence of the current government I think that you'll get brexit regardless of who you vote for in all honesty.

I've said it before and will say again now: it's a shame there's no Social Democrat party, as in Denmark, Germany, Sweden and Norway. Quality services, higher taxes, a better shared sense of community. The UK is split by media incitement to fight our differences rather than come together and face that we probably do need to aim for a better quality working society with a plan towards even better working conditions, rather than erosion and a trend towards the USA.
Money isn't everything.

Totally agree. I've met/worked with many people from those countries who do pay more in tax but get better public services and crucially, on many indices, have a better quality of life than people in the UK.

Not sure if there is an equivalent Social Democratic type party in Netherlands, Belgium and France but those countries seem to have broadly similar principles of higher taxes but much better services/quality of life too. Maybe Canada too, not sure?

[scooterscot]

I strongly suspect that brexiteers - former Labour/LibDem voters - will vote for the brexit party or, at a push, the New Conservatives.
.

Not a clucking bells chance.

[rogerfederer]

I think that you are all polarised.

The current Conservatives without moderates are right wing, not far right wing, but, crucially, incompetent when it comes to money and the economy. The fact that is has been published today they've tried to use the independent civil service to try to discredit Labour's plans instead of enrolling the civil service to help create their own plans shows that they ahve zero plans of their own - damning. No brexit impact assessments, no true plans except false promises of spend, spend, spend; it's all very 1980's and backwards.

Labour's current lot aren't far left, just as the Tories aren't far right. They're just left. It seems to be the opposite side flinging badges around without recognising the traits of their own party.

I strongly suspect that brexiteers - former Labour/LibDem voters - will vote for the brexit party or, at a push, the New Conservatives.

Voting based on a single issue is moronic, but I suspect the brexit crowd with 'normal' jobs will go for the brexit party to spite the Conservatives or stick with the Conservatives.

The outcome is likely a hung parliament.
The best outcome for the country is a softer elongated brexit, to allow time for the country to adapt to the new world, with a heavily limited Labour government supported by the Green Party, LibDems, SNP and the welsh Plaid.

Why? Simple: the EU I've seen provided worker protections and mandated working conditions that have seen the lot improved over the decades. Given what the Tories are instigating on the consulting and contractor industry I have zero doubt this will be applied within a couple of years to normal working folk.
This would likely involved an increase to 45 hours/week, removal of rights to flexible working requests for employees and all the things that make life that little bit easier for the working family on low to average income - keeping in mind that not everybody has the brains of acuity of thought to work in complex jobs I think we should remain a considerate country to those who still work hard by providing better conditions to such people.

As someone who is originally an outsider I see the current New Conservative party, minus the moderates, as a real danger to the UK. You may not see the wood for the trees but I can assure you, having worked in the USA, that it's an awful environment to work in when worker rights are diluted or entirely removed and, given the incompetence of the current government I think that you'll get brexit regardless of who you vote for in all honesty.

I've said it before and will say again now: it's a shame there's no Social Democrat party, as in Denmark, Germany, Sweden and Norway. Quality services, higher taxes, a better shared sense of community. The UK is split by media incitement to fight our differences rather than come together and face that we probably do need to aim for a better quality working society with a plan towards even better working conditions, rather than erosion and a trend towards the USA.
Money isn't everything.

[Lockhouse]

You should have done that before the referendum result (if old enough) and got out of sterling.

Not that old.

[Old Greg]

I'm over 55. If Labour get in, first thing I'm doing is taking my 25% tax free pension allowance. Be mad not to.

You should have done that before the referendum result (if old enough) and got out of sterling.

[Lockhouse]

I'm over 55. If Labour get in, first thing I'm doing is taking my 25% tax free pension allowance. Be mad not to.