Reply to: Who is paying for all this?

[wendigo100]

Whats the particular health and safety issue they're getting sued for I wonder?

Running on a railway platform.

[ratewhore]

Whats the particular health and safety issue they're getting sued for I wonder?

[PerlOfWisdom]

I've spent significant time in some parts of Brazil and having seen more than my share of dodgy wiring jobs there (bare wires hanging out of the shower head anybody?) his skills would have been viable there.

I once went to Greece and there was a bare wire poking out of the ceiling. My solution to this is to shoot all Greek electricians in the head several times.

[PerlOfWisdom]

Yes, one should never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Accidentally shaking a large case full of videotapes infront of a very large and powerful magnet is just one of the ceremonies in the masons. Putting the "For destruction" sticker on instead of the "Evidence" tag must also be perceived as a coincidence.

Reminds me of the story about the master tape for Erasure's album.

[threaded]

Yes, one should never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Accidentally shaking a large case full of videotapes infront of a very large and powerful magnet is just one of the ceremonies in the masons. Putting the "For destruction" sticker on instead of the "Evidence" tag must also be perceived as a coincidence.

[Mailman]

The Met lied about him jumping barriers and the like, blanked the security tape, and lied again.

I think that should be investigated.

I believe that is more a media spun story than a case of the met lieing outright.

Mailman

[stackpole]

Buggered if I know. I'm not sure if anyone on here is that old to remember that, I just have an old-fashioned objection to being shot in the head for no good reason.

Me too. Over the last couple of years or so I suddenly feel less safe from my own police!

Of course, Blair will say it's justified because we have a new threat in our midst from Brazilian electricians, but whose fault is that? Who upset them in the first place?

[Zippy]

That's Blair's Britain.

What was it like in the good old days before Blair? When the Bill had a smile for everyone, said "ello ello ello" a lot, and put young vagabonds back onto the straight and narrow with a good clip round the ear?

Buggered if I know. I'm not sure if anyone on here is that old to remember that, I just have an old-fashioned objection to being shot in the head for no good reason.

[stackpole]

It could be me or you next and there would be no come back.

That's Blair's Britain.

What was it like in the good old days before Blair? When the Bill had a smile for everyone, said "ello ello ello" a lot, and put young vagabonds back onto the straight and narrow with a good clip round the ear?

[Zippy]

II'm not saying that because Menezes would have been just another statistic in Brazil that we in W. Europe should ignore the sad case. But I do think some parties seem to have an agenda here and are pushing his family stage-front (with the lure of a lottery type payout) if they keep this in the news. The very precise details of this guy's sorry end are not so important as I'm more concerned with the overall standard of security our police forces can assure us.

I'm not sure he was working or residing here illegally but really that is beside the point. A man was shot in the head several (nine?) times and there are armed police officers roaming London who could do that to any one else because they may not have the experience to act another way. It could be me or you next and there would be no come back. This worries me and I think that needs an explaination - this would move towards ensuring our security.

I do agree, however, that there seems to be another agenda. I don't think that should prevent us from holding our security services to account in public.

[thunderlizard]

Here we go, Health and Safety again. It's getting so that you can't even shoot an innocent man in the head at point blank range until there's nothing left to shoot at, without those interfering busybodies making a fuss.

[stackpole]

The Met lied about him jumping barriers and the like, blanked the security tape, and lied again.

I think that should be investigated.

[Troll]

I agree it's a scandal that no police officer will face charges for actually killing the poor guy. I think that a trial would have helped clear a few things up - e.g. why CCTV footage went missing for a few months, why initial reports suggested he was vaulting ticket barriers and why later reports suggested he was not. Don't see that's a reason to go after Cherie Booth though.
I think however that burying stuff has been the fashion for a long time. I refer m'learned friend to several incidents in Northern Ireland.

What is there to clear up - the Met got it wrong in a time of hightened tension - similar to the shooting of Stephen Waldorf or the man carrying a chair leg- a tragic mistake.

Getting at the Met through Health and Safety is ridiculous as in the end the punishment of the organisation does not affect in any real way the officers who made the mistakes.

The Met will get fined and it is we the people who will have to foot the bill from our taxes.

It has happened before, it will happen again
Pay the compensation and move on

[LegendsWear7]

I understood the poor chap was breaking the law of the land every day by being an illegal immigrant without papers or the right to reside/work. As a consequence no doubt he was paying zero income tax or NI. I mention this because the way I've seen more than 1 or 2 media outlets portray him as some kind of angel (in order to emphasise the therefore corresponding 'evil' of the Met. Police) and extract maximum outrage from Joe Public is galling and inaccurate. If the UK had its house in order he would have been deported long ago and he would be (possibly) safely dead in Brazil now rather than on the London Underground.

I've spent significant time in some parts of Brazil and having seen more than my share of dodgy wiring jobs there (bare wires hanging out of the shower head anybody?) his skills would have been viable there.

Gun crime is so common in Brazil that the (brutal) police squads rarely investigate and indeed are known to be the shooters all too frequently. There is no investigation, analysis, media furore, court battle or expectations of major pay day. Bonanza.

[Guns kill one person in Brazil every 15 minutes, giving it the world's highest death toll from firearms. Last year, there were 36,000 shooting deaths. The UN says guns are the biggest cause of death among young people in Brazil.]

http://www.swpictures.co.uk/archive/0457.html

My maths suggests that's around ONE HUNDRED GUN MURDERS *PER DAY* !!

So his family lives in a society where this is the norm.

I'm not motivated right now to search for more quotable sources.

I'm not saying that because Menezes would have been just another statistic in Brazil that we in W. Europe should ignore the sad case. But I do think some parties seem to have an agenda here and are pushing his family stage-front (with the lure of a lottery type payout) if they keep this in the news. The very precise details of this guy's sorry end are not so important as I'm more concerned with the overall standard of security our police forces can assure us. I think none of us want a police officer to be in a lethal (terrorist) zero-sum situation and hesitate from taking the required action because of hooey like this.

[Zippy]

Is Cherie in on this gravy chain?

I agree it's a scandal that no police officer will face charges for actually killing the poor guy. I think that a trial would have helped clear a few things up - e.g. why CCTV footage went missing for a few months, why initial reports suggested he was vaulting ticket barriers and why later reports suggested he was not. Don't see that's a reason to go after Cherie Booth though.
I think however that burying stuff has been the fashion for a long time. I refer m'learned friend to several incidents in Northern Ireland.