Reply to: Trump - the beginning of the end?

[jamesbrown]

... and it's over (until next time).

[chopper]

However they only have 51%. They needed 60%....

And four Republican Senators voted against... whilst five Democrat Senators voted for.

[TheFaQQer]

There is another good statement but it cannot be verifiied:

It's paraphrasing several things that Trump said / wrote during the shutdown.

For example, he said "Problems start from the top, and they have to get solved from the top, and the President’s the leader, and he’s got to get everybody in a room, and he’s got to lead. And he doesn’t do that, he doesn’t like doing that, that’s not his strength. And that’s why you have this horrible situation going on in Washington. It’s a very, very bad thing and it’s very embarrassing worldwide" which is broadly along the same lines as the summary quoted.

He also said "Well, very simply, you have to get everybody in a room. You have to be a leader. The president has to lead. He’s got to get [the Speaker of the House] and everybody else in a room, and they have to make a deal. You have to be nice, and be angry, and be wild, and cajole, and do all sorts of things. But you have to get a deal." on Fox News during the 2013 shutdown.

And tweeted "Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible."

[jamesbrown]

The Senate has to approve the option by a simple majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option

And Republican Senators have dismissed this, because they know it works both ways. At some point, the Dems will hold the Senate (probably later this year ).

More unproductive tweeting from Trump.

[darmstadt]

Then: "Obama & the Democrats want this shutdown. They think it helps their electoral prospects for 2014. Don’t believe!" (Via Twitter, Oct. 1, 2013)

Now: "Shutdown coming? We need more Republican victories in 2018!" (Via Twitter, Friday)

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Then: “'Here’s the truth, the gov't doesn’t shutdown.' ... All essential services continue. Don't believe lies." (Via Twitter, Sept. 23, 2013)

Now: "A government shutdown will be devastating to our military ... something the Dems care very little about!" (Via Twitter, Thursday)

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Then: "Stocks rose yesterday during the first day of government shutdown. Markets like being left alone for a day." (Via Twitter, Oct. 2, 2013)


Now: "It also means jobs. You see what's happening with respect to jobs. ... So our tax cuts and our tax reform has turned out to be far greater than anybody ever anticipated, and I'm sure the Democrats would like to blunt that by shutting down government." (Remarks to reporters at the Pentagon Thursday)

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Then: "Congratulations to @SpeakerBoehner on standing strong and tying government shutdown to defunding ObamaCare." (Via Twitter, Sept. 20, 2013)

Now: "The Democrats want to shut down the Government over Amnesty for all and Border Security." (Via Twitter, Tuesday)

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There is another good statement but it cannot be verifiied:

“A shutdown falls on the President’s lack of leadership. He can’t even control his party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the President is weak”

-Donald Trump 2013#TrumpShutdown #GOPshutdown #shutdown #governmentshutdown #

[greenlake]

Can Trump do that? Sounds more like another of his fantasies?

The Senate has to approve the option by a simple majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option

[BrilloPad]

....for now....



Trump: Senate should change rules if shutdown stalemate continues | Reuters

Can Trump do that? Sounds more like another of his fantasies?

[greenlake]

However they only have 51%. They needed 60%....

....for now....

“The Dems (Democrats) just want illegal immigrants to pour into our nation unchecked. If stalemate continues, Republicans should go to 51 percent (Nuclear Option) and vote on real, long term budget,” Trump said on Twitter.

Trump: Senate should change rules if shutdown stalemate continues | Reuters

[BrilloPad]

However they only have 51%. They needed 60%....

[chopper]

[DonaldJTrump]

Can anyone explain what all these faded actresses are going on about in LA

I mean sexual terrorism may be a exaggeration

Oh & you're all on the "no fly" list btw

[darmstadt]

Presumably this is the point where when he was a 'business man', he just declared bankruptcy and walked away from it all

[jamesbrown]

The first shutdown was 1980, because Carter's AG in 79 said that when there was a funding gap then government had to shut down.

There's never been a shutdown when the same party controlled House, Senate and White House.

There's an element of semantics to this. Appropriations lapsed several times in the 1970s, some of which resulted in partial shutdowns. Lapses in the late 1970s occurred with one party in office (Dems). Even today, the number of employees/functions that are impacted varies dramatically across government (quite a lot of gov't continues to function). But, yes, from the 80s onwards the impacts were greater.

[TheFaQQer]

Not regularly, but occasionally. The last one was 2013. I think the last one with one party holding all offices was back in the late 70s when Carter was president (and it was about abortions).

The first shutdown was 1980, because Carter's AG in 79 said that when there was a funding gap then government had to shut down.

There's never been a shutdown when the same party controlled House, Senate and White House.

[BrilloPad]

Doesn't this happen quite regularly in the USA, it's not something only Trump has overseen. They just throw out their toys until they get agreement on whose pockets the trillions from the magic money tree are going to line.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

None of the numbers seem to be going down.

I agree. However in previous times there were presidents who were not as divisive.

I hope you are right and it works out.