Reply to: Finsbury Park attack - terrorism or not?

[northernladyuk]

So does the UK have four classes.

The underclass in the UK are those who cannot speak English, don't work and claim benefits to survive. Those that live on sink estates surviving on a life of crime- only entering the civilised world to use the super market. Generations of families who have never worked and live on sickness benefits. Crusties and travellers who have opted out of the system. The homeless.

They are not the working class. That is the underclass and it's growing in size.

Will you leave psychocandy alone? It's getting mean.

[SueEllen]

I think the point is there are generations of people who do not see continually working for a living, building a career and aiming to be completely self sufficient as a necessity - more that work is something you have to do to allow you to continue to sign on.

Why didn't he say that then?

In essence they can do what ever and there will always be some one to stop them from ending up homeless and starving.

And there has always been people like that.

Every immigrant group who has come here since the welfare state was formed is always amazed about how lazy some of the British are.

[Fronttoback]

You stated

this isn't backed up by your source -


Never having a full-time job and working intermittently is not the same as never working.

I think we both know you are out of your depth now and grasping at straws. You didn't even notice that the article was from 2001! You better leave it.

[original PM]

You stated

this isn't backed up by your source -


Never having a full-time job and working intermittently is not the same as never working.

I think the point is there are generations of people who do not see continually working for a living, building a career and aiming to be completely self sufficient as a necessity - more that work is something you have to do to allow you to continue to sign on.

In essence they can do what ever and there will always be some one to stop them from ending up homeless and starving.

[Fronttoback]

Yeah we could try and help but i think we all know sterilisation and euthanasia are the only decent options.

You cannot stop the underclass from procreating. Metaphorically they wander around with their distended genitalia hanging on the ground. Clothes full of holes, no teeth, home made tattoos. But they get more sex than you. They are completely driven by their senses and short term gratification. ******** is de rigueur in a cultural wasteland. Wander through these estates at midday and you will find people smacked out, watching daytime TV waiting for the dealers to drive around their delivery on tick- funded by shoplifting from the big supermarkets- and then selling the frozen meat in the pub. Stolen cars burnt out and abandoned in overgrown front gardens, caravans occupied in the streets by the overspill, horses wandering around, drug dealing rife. Yet, Gladys at number 76 still sweeps her section of balcony each day. Into this environment we bring refugees now.

[SueEllen]

I don't read the Daily Mail.

The underclass is not properly documented and since you are out of touch with reality on the ground- you will not find the information in your sources.

I suggested you take a few months out and go and live on a sink estate. Find out who lives there and then compare that lot to your salt of the earth types like grocers, taxi drivers, cleaners, teaching assistants, welders, delivery drivers, street sweepers, etc. The two groups are completely different.

The underclass has become significant in the last 20 years. You would be oblivious to the reality of it if you don't have it rubbed in your face.

Read about Nicky in your favourite paper:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jun/18/jamiewilson

You stated

Generations of families who have never worked

this isn't backed up by your source -

As far as he knows, his grandfather never had a full time job. His father might work sometimes, but he does not know where or what he does.

Never having a full-time job and working intermittently is not the same as never working.

[original PM]

I don't read the Daily Mail.

The underclass is not properly documented and since you are out of touch with reality on the ground- you will not find the information in your sources.

I suggested you take a few months out and go and live on a sink estate. Find out who lives there and then compare that lot to your salt of the earth types like grocers, taxi drivers, cleaners, teaching assistants, welders, delivery drivers, street sweepers, etc. The two groups are completely different.

The underclass has become significant in the last 20 years. You would be oblivious to the reality of it if you don't have it rubbed in your face.

Read about Nicky in your favourite paper:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jun/18/jamiewilson

Yeah we could try and help but i think we all know sterilisation and euthanasia are the only decent options.

[BrilloPad]

So does the UK have four classes.

The underclass in the UK are those who cannot speak English, don't work and claim benefits to survive. Those that live on sink estates surviving on a life of crime- only entering the civilised world to use the super market. Generations of families who have never worked and live on sickness benefits. Crusties and travellers who have opted out of the system. The homeless.

They are not the working class. That is the underclass and it's growing in size.

And housed in dubious conditions? Either high rises with low safety standards or 20 to a garage in Acton?

[Fronttoback]

Stop reading the Daily Mail.

Other media outlets looked for the generations of families that have never done a days work in their life and couldn't find them.

Yep in other words even families of lazy feckers have one member who has done some work in their life-time.

Oh and here are British social classes linky

I don't read the Daily Mail.

The underclass is not properly documented and since you are out of touch with reality on the ground- you will not find the information in your sources.

I suggested you take a few months out and go and live on a sink estate. Find out who lives there and then compare that lot to your salt of the earth types like grocers, taxi drivers, cleaners, teaching assistants, welders, delivery drivers, street sweepers, etc. The two groups are completely different.

The underclass has become significant in the last 20 years. You would be oblivious to the reality of it if you don't have it rubbed in your face.

Read about Nicky in your favourite paper:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/jun/18/jamiewilson

[SueEllen]

So does the UK have four classes.

The underclass in the UK are those who cannot speak English, don't work and claim benefits to survive. Those that live on sink estates surviving on a life of crime- only entering the civilised world to use the super market. Generations of families who have never worked and live on sickness benefits. Crusties and travellers who have opted out of the system. The homeless.

They are not the working class. That is the underclass and it's growing in size.

Stop reading the Daily Mail.

Other media outlets looked for the generations of families that have never done a days work in their life and couldn't find them.

Yep in other words even families of lazy feckers have one member who has done some work in their life-time.

Oh and here are British social classes linky

[Fronttoback]

Of course USA has 4 classes. Rich, middle, poor and under.

So does the UK have four classes.

The underclass in the UK are those who cannot speak English, don't work and claim benefits to survive. Those that live on sink estates surviving on a life of crime- only entering the civilised world to use the super market. Generations of families who have never worked and live on sickness benefits. Crusties and travellers who have opted out of the system. The homeless.

They are not the working class. That is the underclass and it's growing in size.

[jamesbrown]

thicko

Mornin', sas.

[SueEllen]

Man Tasered by police at London Central Mosque - BBC News

"A man has been Tasered by police after reports people were being attacked at a London mosque just before 01:30 BST.
Officers said they acted after finding a man waving an "item" around near the London Central Mosque in Regent's Park."


"... the item being waved was a shoehorn."

Sounds very British.

You mean it's the British version of this -

[BrilloPad]

Thanks for the update. Always good to get the rather piquant views of those living rough on the streets of NY. Adds perspective.

Of course USA has 4 classes. Rich, middle, poor and under.

A bit like Victorian Britain.

[mudskipper]

Man Tasered by police at London Central Mosque - BBC News

"A man has been Tasered by police after reports people were being attacked at a London mosque just before 01:30 BST.
Officers said they acted after finding a man waving an "item" around near the London Central Mosque in Regent's Park."


"... the item being waved was a shoehorn."

Sounds very British.