Reply to: John Major warns on the peace process

[northernladyuk]

Because the amount of tulip they have had from all sides is not countable as it includes the disappeared.

Plenty of stats around.

Statistics of Deaths in the Troubles in Ireland

It really doesn't do to try to understand the impact of 'The Trobules' ignoring the statistics of deaths in NI. Even looking at just the IRA killings:

Organisation: IRA
Total Killings: 1696 (49%)
Protestant: 790
Catholic: 338
Not from NI: 568

[SueEllen]

So why don't we include people in NI as well. They are also people.

Because the amount of tulip they have had from all sides is not countable as it includes the disappeared.

[northernladyuk]

Serious question now.

Do they vote on issues in commons but just do not attend - or do they simple play no part?

They don't take their seats at all. They are never sworn in as MPs.

[original PM]

It's not really sulking, is it? Having stood on a mandate of not taking their seats, they're not going to then take their seats.

Which I kind of get, but it is all a bit odd. I wonder if SDLP will do better at the next GE, after people see a close result where SF abstentionism is arguably a factor in the ability of the Tories to form a government.

I don't really understand NI politics - what do you think, Equalizer?

Serious question now.

Do they vote on issues in commons but just do not attend - or do they simple play no part?

[northernladyuk]

Be nice if they actually took their seats in Parliament instead of sulking too.

It's not really sulking, is it? Having stood on a mandate of not taking their seats, they're not going to then take their seats.

Which I kind of get, but it is all a bit odd. I wonder if SDLP will do better at the next GE, after people see a close result where SF abstentionism is arguably a factor in the ability of the Tories to form a government.

I don't really understand NI politics - what do you think, Equalizer?

[original PM]

You'll find that Sinn Fein will purely play this for their own means. There aren't people in NI up-in-arms about this.

Be nice if they actually took their seats in Parliament instead of sulking too.

[northernladyuk]

I spent many years of my life having to use alternative public transport or walking in London because the IRA had sent out a coded bomb warning but I guess that doesn't count as disruption.

In addition some helpful people have collateral statistics of the number of dead on the mainland and what roles they were in. The number of dead and roles in NI is obviously different.

So why don't we include people in NI as well. They are also people.

[SueEllen]

Thats not really true. The NI troubles have claimed very many civilian lives over their time.

I spent many years of my life having to use alternative public transport or walking in London because the IRA had sent out a coded bomb warning but I guess that doesn't count as disruption.

In addition some helpful people have collateral statistics of the number of dead on the mainland and what roles they were in. The number of dead and roles in NI is obviously different.

[bobspud]

The IRA where better at causing disruption. They also preferred to target the UK government, armed forces and police over members of the public with their bombs.

Thats not really true. The NI troubles have claimed very many civilian lives over their time.

They destroyed buildings in the city and docklands and also murdered a bunch of innocent people outside Harrods and again in Birmingham... They were admittedly a little more focused than the current bunch of bastards but thats hardly difficult...

The only reason the IRA stopped was that our friends the Americans finally understood what terrorism was when some maniac levelled two of their buildings in one go on prime time TV. Up until that point they were more than happy to let the IRA tin get passed around for contributions to buy Libyan arms...

Incidentally 9/11 killed almost exactly the same number of innocent people as the entire NI conflict in the previous 20 years...

The most sensible answer from what I can see of the maths is for the DUP to follow SF's lead and stop taking their seat in the UK parliament. That way there would not be enough seats for the opposition to form a government and an effective majority would be in place.

[The_Equalizer]

Not only that, if a power sharing agreement isn't worked out fast (end of the month). Then it is direct rule from Westminster. And direct rule means Tory-DUP government in charge.

This is extremely worrying. TM's lust for power at all costs is frightening.

You'll find that Sinn Fein will purely play this for their own means. There aren't people in NI up-in-arms about this.

[The_Equalizer]

Conflict of interest surely - UK Govt is supposed to be honest arbiter between two parties, but now it will totally depend on one of those parties.

Rookie error really - May should have gone to BOTH Sinn Fein and DUP to get deal, in which both parties get what they want for NI, and Sinn Fein get no obligation to vote whilst not minding if DUP supported May.

May personally spoke to all five main parties in NI.

[shaunbhoy]

[PurpleGorilla]

Conflict of interest surely - UK Govt is supposed to be honest arbiter between two parties, but now it will totally depend on one of those parties.

Rookie error really - May should have gone to BOTH Sinn Fein and DUP to get deal, in which both parties get what they want for NI, and Sinn Fein get no obligation to vote whilst not minding if DUP supported May.

Not only that, if a power sharing agreement isn't worked out fast (end of the month). Then it is direct rule from Westminster. And direct rule means Tory-DUP government in charge.

This is extremely worrying. TM's lust for power at all costs is frightening.

[AtW]

Not really clear why though!

Conflict of interest surely - UK Govt is supposed to be honest arbiter between two parties, but now it will totally depend on one of those parties.

Rookie error really - May should have gone to BOTH Sinn Fein and DUP to get deal, in which both parties get what they want for NI, and Sinn Fein get no obligation to vote whilst not minding if DUP supported May.

[northernladyuk]

Not really clear why though!

Not to you.