Reply to: Tory secret deal with EU

[billybiro]

Most brexiters believe things are -ve. Just a lot less negative than if we had stayed with the EU.

Then they're idiots and are either blind or in complete denial about the sh*tstorm unfolding before their very eyes.

They can continue to convince themselves it'll all be okay. It's quite cathartic to do that, helps to take the pain of the reality (of brexit) away, I believe.

[SueEllen]

Not really, Maggi is a sauce which you put in stews or your soup. It just tastes like Marmite a bit. A lot of restaurants will have a bottle on the table with the ketchup. I love Marmite me but every German I've tried it on has said it's disgusting (they say the same to pickled eggs as well...strange people)

This is where I agree with the German people.

Though at uni I did enjoy terrorising Europeans with baked beans....

[darmstadt]

You mean loads of countries have an equivalent of the disgusting Marmite?

Not really, Maggi is a sauce which you put in stews or your soup. It just tastes like Marmite a bit. A lot of restaurants will have a bottle on the table with the ketchup. I love Marmite me but every German I've tried it on has said it's disgusting (they say the same to pickled eggs as well...strange people)

[squarepeg]

You mean loads of countries have an equivalent of the disgusting Marmite?

Yup. Bloody copycats. Trying to outdo the Brits again.

Although "Paprykarz Szczecinski" is in a class of its own. Contrary to some Bremainers, mixing it with Marmite and spreading the resulting goo on a croissant is not a good example of how multiculturalism can improve the quality of one's life. (Unless you are constipated.)

[SueEllen]

Nah, don't think so, for a start it's ******* expensive here plus they have Maggi which tastes much the same

You mean loads of countries have an equivalent of the disgusting Marmite?

[darmstadt]

I hope they do.

UK: 1 tonne
Germany: 500 Billion tonnes

Nah, don't think so, for a start it's ******* expensive here plus they have Maggi which tastes much the same

[SueEllen]

As long as the EU doesn't set Marmite consumption quotas for the UK, we're all going to be fine.

I hope they do.

UK: 1 tonne
Germany: 500 Billion tonnes

[darmstadt]

As long as the EU doesn't set Marmite consumption quotas for the UK, we're all going to be fine.

I thought I'd just throw in that it was invented by a German from Darmstadt

[chopper]

The EU's own mantra is "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed".

So for sure, we can talk money, and Northern Ireland, and the rights of EU citizens already in the UK first. And we can sit there in front of that piece of paper and say "yep, we're happy with that." The EU will say "we're happy with it too".

Then we say "Oh, but there's the small matter of trade. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed".

The EU's stance is that they want to discuss their agenda first, but that doesn't mean that said agenda has to be signed before we get to talk about ours. I mean, why on earth would be agree to pay them *anything* if the framework for a trade deal isn't also in place?

[squarepeg]

They do, the Swiss had a referendum and over 50% voted against it, but they can't change it because the EU is bigger,

The UK will also cave in on this as well.

Greenland left the EU to control it's fisheries but actually the EU still has full control. It dictates Greenland's quotas.

As long as the EU doesn't set Marmite consumption quotas for the UK, we're all going to be fine.

[scooterscot]

The UK will not get any sort of Free trade or exit deal with the EU as they aren't a country, rather 27 states with a full range of economic and social issues. In the inevitable WTO rules scenario the EU will come off economically much, much worse than the UK. This will ultimately in a few short years lead to the break up and killing of the EU.

Talk about overstating ones self importance.

[VectraMan]

The UK will not get any sort of Free trade or exit deal with the EU as they aren't a country, rather 27 states with a full range of economic and social issues. In the inevitable WTO rules scenario the EU will come off economically much, much worse than the UK. This will ultimately in a few short years lead to the break up and killing of the EU.

The EU states seem remarkably united in their approach to Brexit, unlike the UK states (I assume you mean the EU has 27 states and not the UK). Normally we'd say that England as the biggest by population and economy dominates the union, but the Brexiteers have dismissed that in this thread, so who knows? Maybe now Northern Ireland is dominant, but then they don't seem to be able to form a government, so perhaps it's now Wales.

Either way you could be right about the lack of deal. Thereafter the EU has to deal with 8% of its exports now being under WTO rules, and the UK 45%. So yes of course it is the EU that will be doomed whilst the UK is transformed into a golden utopia with rainbows and unicorns.

[original PM]

When your successful growth is measured as 1 to 2 percentage points per annum, 2/14ths 14% is a monster hit, also this would be against the prosperous member(s) i.e Germany and France. But having said that so is 20% unemployment and that doesn't seem to register with the EU. Not sure how that would play out with a recession in Germany and France, I would expect that would mark the end of the EU and the Euro.

The UK will not get any sort of Free trade or exit deal with the EU as they aren't a country, rather 27 states with a full range of economic and social issues. In the inevitable WTO rules scenario the EU will come off economically much, much worse than the UK. This will ultimately in a few short years lead to the break up and killing of the EU.

[WordIsBond]

OK. What exactly will a 0.1 x UK + 0.9 x EU deal look like?

I'm serious. How much money? Will freedom of movement be required? What kind of tariffs? What happens to the City? If you think that it is going to be that one-sided, why don't you go on record what it means and then we'll see what happens?

[WordIsBond]

It will reflect their sizes and the "reasonable deal" will 0.1 x UK + 0.9 x EU, as will the UK-US deal.

OK. What exactly will a 0.1 x UK + 0.9 x EU deal look like?