Reply to: UK government is bluffing with cards everyone can see

[SueEllen]

In fact London wanted to split from the UK too .... they may choose to join Scotland

No we don't want any non-English Northern region to drag us down.

[chopper]

Utter, utter undemocratic hypocrisy from London.

How so? Two non-comparable scenarios.

The relationship between Scotland and the UK is completely different to the relationship between the UK and the European Union.

The UK does not need to ask the EU for permission to hold a leave/remain referendum: we hold one, and then we serve notice under Article 50 to begin a defined period of negotiations for us to exit.

There is no such mechanism for Scotland to leave the UK. Section 30 of the Scotland Act means they have to ask. There is no defined leaving period. As such, uk.gov can say "yes", or they can say "no", or they can say "actually Sturgeon, now really isn't a good time, as you can probably imagine. We've a lot on our plate. Piss off and come back in a couple of years". Which makes sense.

[shaunbhoy]

London : 'we're holding a referendum to leave the Eureopean union

EU: 'OK'

Scotland: 'we're holding a referendum to leave the UK union'

London: ' Oh no you're not'.

Utter, utter undemocratic hypocrisy from London.

You're a special kind of stupid ain't ya?

[SandyD]

In fact London wanted to split from the UK too .... they may choose to join Scotland

[SandyD]

London : 'we're holding a referendum to leave the Eureopean union

EU: 'OK'

Scotland: 'we're holding a referendum to leave the UK union'

London: ' Oh no you're not'.
Utter, utter undemocratic hypocrisy from London.

NOT London !! Don't blame London, they voted to remain and still want to remain

[tomtomagain]

London : 'we're holding a referendum to leave the Eureopean union

EU: 'OK'

Scotland: 'we're holding a referendum to leave the UK union'

London: ' Oh no you're not'.

Utter, utter undemocratic hypocrisy from London.

Well to be fair they did let them have one a couple of years ago.

And to be practical why should the PM actively undermine the already likely to be tortuous negotiations for BREXT? Nobody in their right mind would try and split the country and leave the EU in one go.

Could be worse though, you could be Catalonian. Mean old Madrid won't even let them have a referendum. Nasty undemocratic Spanish oppressors.

[shaunbhoy]

London : 'we'll let you have another referendum when us grown-ups have finished our business'

Scotland: (whilst stamping feet and holding breath) 'Scweamity scweamity scweam!!'

ftfy

[scooterscot]

London : 'we're holding a referendum to leave the Eureopean union

EU: 'OK'

Scotland: 'we're holding a referendum to leave the UK union'

London: ' Oh no you're not'.

Utter, utter undemocratic hypocrisy from London.

[darmstadt]

Your data is out of date.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelsc.../#722b2bb4261f

Your data: JAN 10, 2017 @ 09:36 AM
My data: 31 Jan, 2017 4:30pm

Oh, and by the way, also Forbes.com but on JAN 30, 2017 @ 12:08 AM: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bertels.../#3c62a32776b0

[northernladyuk]

No comparison, Sweden/Norway is like UK/Ireland ... there are not only EU related ties but ancient Scandinavian ties same relation of Sweden to other Scandinavian countries.

Of course there is comparison. But there are also differences.

[northernladyuk]

Your data is out of date.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelsc.../#722b2bb4261f

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelsc...-maybe-toyota/

[SandyD]

Interesting to look at the Norway / Sweden border arrangements:

Close Sweden-Norway ties despite EU border dividing them

No comparison, Sweden/Norway is like UK/Ireland ... there are not only EU related ties but ancient Scandinavian ties same relation of Sweden to other Scandinavian countries.

[northernladyuk]

One of the Kippers' rallying cries was "Get control of our borders!", which is hardly compatible with lorries and cars driving at full speed over the borders with only occasional spot checks.

The kippers conveniently forget about the Common Travel Area.

[minestrone]

I noticed that there was a total fallacy in this post, as always Leavers don't bother to fact check

Volkswagen passes Toyota as world's largest automaker despite scandal
Volkswagen is now the biggest car manufacturer in the world | Auto Express

Your data is out of date.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelsc.../#722b2bb4261f

[darmstadt]

"Sure, their sudden introduction will force some car companies to move to Europe"

A day later...

Toyota to invest £240m in UK plant at Burnaston - BBC News

The worlds largest car manufacturer is clearly unconcerned.

GDP was already meant to be 6% down by now with a million more out of work, it's the same bedwetters making these tulipe predictions.

I noticed that there was a total fallacy in this post, as always Leavers don't bother to fact check

Volkswagen passes Toyota as world's largest automaker despite scandal
Volkswagen is now the biggest car manufacturer in the world | Auto Express