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[Paddy]

As the Russians say 'Vsyo idyot po planu' (Everything is going to plan)...

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As the Russians say 'Vsyo idyot po planu' (Everything is going to plan)...

[DodgyAgent]

Churchill was a halfwit in all honesty.

He was never far from some self engineered disaster.

At least it gives hope to some of those on here

[minestrone]

Churchill was a halfwit in all honesty.

He was never far from some self engineered disaster.

[DodgyAgent]

What personally - did he run around and steal their food?

What were they doing for food before Churchill came to power?

Seems to me that 15 million people died from famine when Churchill was PM and the world was at war.....

It was essentially down to a shipping shortage. Of course complex situations that no matter what is done will have adverse effects somehwere are trivialised by cowardly lefty liberals:

Next Churchill turned to famine relief. Canada had offered aid, but in thanking Prime Minister MacKenzie King, Churchill noted a shipping problem: “Wheat from Canada would take at least two months to reach India whereas it could be carried from Australia in 3 to 4 weeks.”8

At Churchill’s urging, Australia promised 350,000 tons of wheat. King still wanted to help. Churchill feared a resultant loss of war shipments between Canada and Australia,9 but King assured him there would be no shortfall. Canada’s contribution, he said, would pay “dividends in humanitarian aspects….”10

The famine continued into 1944, causing Secretary of State for India Leopold Amery to request one million tons of grain. Churchill, who had been studying consumption statistics, now believed India was receiving more than she would need. He remained concerned about the shipping problem, “given the effect of its diversion alike on operations and on our imports of food into this country, which could be further reduced only at the cost of much suffering.”11

The Cabinet cited other causes of the famine rarely mentioned in latter-day denunciations of Churchill: the shortages were “partly political in character, caused by Marwari supporters of Congress [Gandhi’s party] in an effort to embarrass the existing Muslim Government of Bengal.” Another cause, they added, was corrupt local officials: “The Government of India were unduly tender with speculators and hoarders.”12

Amery and Wavell continued to press for wheat, and in the Cabinet of February 14th Churchill tried to accommodate them. While shipping difficulties were “very real,” Churchill said, he was “most anxious that we should do everything possible to ease the Viceroy’s position. No doubt the Viceroy felt that if this corner could be turned, the position next year would be better.” Churchill added that “refusal of India’s request was not due to our underrating India’s needs, but because we could not take operational risks by cutting down the shipping required for vital operations.”13

The war pressed Britain on all sides; shipping was needed everywhere. Indeed, at the same time as India was demanding another million tons, Churchill was fending off other demands: “I have been much concerned at the apparently excessive quantities of grain demanded by Allied HQ for civilians in Italy, which impose a great strain on our shipping and finances,” he wrote War Secretary Sir James Grigg. “Will you let me have, at the earliest possible moment…estimates of the amount of food which is really needed….”14

Churchill and his Cabinet continued to struggle to meet India’s needs. While certain that shipping on the scale Amery wanted was impossible without a “dangerous inroad into the British import programme or a serious interference with operational plans,” the Cabinet grasped at every straw, recommending:

[original PM]

Churchill was responsible for over 15 million deaths and genocide mainly through starvation in India and the Middle East. Have a Google about it.

What personally - did he run around and steal their food?

What were they doing for food before Churchill came to power?

Seems to me that 15 million people died from famine when Churchill was PM and the world was at war.....

[DodgyAgent]

Churchill was responsible for over 15 million deaths and genocide mainly through starvation in India and the Middle East. Have a Google about it.

presumably therefore we should not have gone to war against Gerrmany

[DodgyAgent]

Churchill was responsible for over 15 million deaths and genocide mainly through starvation in India and the Middle East. Have a Google about it.

https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.e...bengal-famine/

[DodgyAgent]

No better than Hitler? Did we indulge in genocide, intent on the removal of a race from existence?

Dresden was more akin to Nagasaki; it was designed to bring about a quicker end to the war, which it helped to do. I know a 92-year-old who flew in the raid; he never spoke about it other than to call it a necessary evil.

Both sides committed acts of unnecessary carnage. it doesn't matter what the reasons were.

[BrilloPad]

Let them. They seem to be doing far more to sort ISIS out than the septics.

While wiping out most of the civilians in the process.

[BrilloPad]

Churchill was responsible for over 15 million deaths and genocide mainly through starvation in India and the Middle East. Have a Google about it.

And he was slow at rescuing Jews.

But he "won" so could write history as he wanted.

[Paddy]

No better than Hitler? Did we indulge in genocide, intent on the removal of a race from existence?

Dresden was more akin to Nagasaki; it was designed to bring about a quicker end to the war, which it helped to do. I know a 92-year-old who flew in the raid; he never spoke about it other than to call it a necessary evil.

Churchill was responsible for over 15 million deaths and genocide mainly through starvation in India and the Middle East. Have a Google about it.

[barrydidit]

Good point. And taking this point further we were no better than Hitler either Bombing of Dresden - World War II - HISTORY.com

Hey - it's scooters job to post that bollox. Stick to what you're good a.... oh, er... as you were.

[LondonManc]

Good point. And taking this point further we were no better than Hitler either Bombing of Dresden - World War II - HISTORY.com

No better than Hitler? Did we indulge in genocide, intent on the removal of a race from existence?

Dresden was more akin to Nagasaki; it was designed to bring about a quicker end to the war, which it helped to do. I know a 92-year-old who flew in the raid; he never spoke about it other than to call it a necessary evil.

[DodgyAgent]

While the US administration admits to knowing that their "allies" Saudi Arabia and Qatar are funding Daesh.

Good point. And taking this point further we were no better than Hitler either http://www.history.com/topics/world-...tle-of-dresden