Reply to: Another sad example of how the justice system looks after us all

[tim123]

If it did happen to contain a bug that meant it 'beat a woman to death', it would be deleted.

But how do you tell the difference?

I don't believe that you can.

You either have to have a system of "make sure that we have no bugs at all" or "accept that a few will slip through and that one of these may be a catastrophic failure in extreme circumstances".

The legal equivilent of this is "if someone kills someone, they go to prison for life, no exceptions" or we have a system of exceptions and accept that some people will wrongly be assessed as safe to let out.

As above, I don't believe that it is physically possible to get the assessing 100% correct. And all that I am saying is that it is wrong to blame the assessor for this.

tim

[Emperor Dalek]

So lets bring back the death penalty?

No. Killing people is wrong.

(Thals, on the other hand...)

[Mailman]

So lets bring back the death penalty?

Or will this merely give the anti-war morons something else to hate this country over?

Then again, lets make any attack with a knife attempted murder. That might actually start putting a few people away for more than 5 years!

Mailman

[Emperor Dalek]

We have to make sure that people take much much more care not to make mistakes.

Oops, I accidentally hammered a woman I was p1ss ed of with to death, oh well anyone can make a mistake ;-)

Well exactly. Surely we should let everyone get it wrong once?

[hattra]

We have to make sure that people take much much more care not to make mistakes.

Oops, I accidentally hammered a woman I was p1ss ed of with to death, oh well anyone can make a mistake ;-)

Trouble is, all he had to do was claim that the hammer belongs to the victim, and that he used it in a rage, and he removes premediation from the equation. The law doesn't seem capable of taking into consideration the fact that he might have known that the hammer would be available.

[vista]

Thats the point

Hey, anyone can make a mistake.

We have to make sure that people take much much more care not to make mistakes.

Oops, I accidentally hammered a woman I was p1ss ed of with to death, oh well anyone can make a mistake ;-)

[Emperor Dalek]

Hey, anyone can make a mistake.

[vista]

Oh Dear

The good ole liberal system takes out another five innocent people (including children), sacrificed on the alter of the bleeding hearts.

Procedures were followed
Jailed for 7 years
Early release
Probabtion sessions
5 dead bodies

Isn't it blindingly obvious to even the most challenged liberal that even when the system works as it should it doesn't work? It doesn't protect people it endangers them and all to frequently kills.

7 years for killing whether premeditated or not is just not long enough, our society will continue to sacrifice small children until we make sure that everyone takes much more care not to kill anyone by either killing the offender or by making life mean life.

Offenders may or may not expect to get caught but everyone should understand that if they cause the death of another unless under extreme accidental conditions then they will lose the lions share of their lives either by the executions hand or 30 years in pokey, harsh maybe but not as harsh as the punishment they handed to their victims. If we don't demand this we are all saying "its naughty to kill but not really that bad".

Lets see if the bedwetters are up for it?

Can the liberals 'grow a pair' and start nominating people they know to be killed in the name of their beliefs rather than hiding behind strangers being killed to support this vile society they have created.

Liberals/Nazis the only real difference I can see is honesty over who's gonna die.

[mcquiggd]

And how, without the benefit of hindsight, do you know this? From all the obvious info available, the guy just looked like any one of thousands of thugs that get arrested every day. Most of them get no more than a slap on the wrist.



I'm not extolling its virtues. I'm saying that you cannot use hindsight to bash people with. You have to point to a failing that they made, that was obvious at the time.

The guy went on to commit another (worse) crime. That is regrettable, but apart for locking everybody up for life, how do you stop this happeing?

Apply this to your own job. How does one make sure to catch all the bugs in a system before its release? Or do you not bother?

tim

Well, software bugs don't tend to beat women to death with a hammer, nor do they have relationships wth questionably young girls then set fire to houses.

If it did happen to contain a bug that meant it 'beat a woman to death', it would be deleted. Not put on a shelf for a while and then used again.

And software that is potentially used in situations where danger may arise from mistakes is given considerably more attention and testing than a console application that writes 'Hello World'....

[tim123]

Stop being such a wuss timothy. What are you, a social worker or a lawyer? I think we should be told. The guy was clearly a cyclepath and should have been whacked the first time round. :

And how, without the benefit of hindsight, do you know this? From all the obvious info available, the guy just looked like any one of thousands of thugs that get arrested every day. Most of them get no more than a slap on the wrist.

That did not happen due to failures in "the system". It is the system that needs to be changed, and it will happen a lot quicker without bleeding hearts like you extolling its virtues!

I'm not extolling its virtues. I'm saying that you cannot use hindsight to bash people with. You have to point to a failing that they made, that was obvious at the time.

The guy went on to commit another (worse) crime. That is regrettable, but apart for locking everybody up for life, how do you stop this happeing?

Apply this to your own job. How does one make sure to catch all the bugs in a system before its release? Or do you not bother?

tim

[shaunbhoy]

Stop being such a wuss timothy. What are you, a social worker or a lawyer? I think we should be told. The guy was clearly a cyclepath and should have been whacked the first time round. That did not happen due to failures in "the system". It is the system that needs to be changed, and it will happen a lot quicker without bleeding hearts like you extolling its virtues!

[tim123]

Why manslaughter? Why not murder. It strikes me that too many people are convicted on charges which are less than what they should have been. He beats somebody to death with a hammer - why is that not murder. He should then have been given life.

You'll have to ask the jury that. It is normal in the case of a culpable homicide for the perp to be charged with both murder and manslaughter. The jury then decide whether there was sufficient premeditation for it to be murder ... or not.

They seem to have decided not.

tim

[shaunbhoy]

Isnt AtW a loner and obsessive????

Yes, but fortunately he cannot get girlfriends, so the women of the land remain safe. The sheep however...............that's a different matter!!

[MarillionFan]

Isnt AtW a loner and obsessive????

We need to know!

[BoredBloke]

"The guy was previously convicted of manslaughter, a jury of his peers made that decision, not an agent of the state. He was given a 'normal' sentence for the crime he was convicted of, served his time and was let out early on license (as every prisioner in the county is). He attended his probation sessions (which many ex-prisioners don't)."

Why manslaughter? Why not murder. It strikes me that too many people are convicted on charges which are less than what they should have been. He beats somebody to death with a hammer - why is that not murder. He should then have been given life.