Reply to: The EU wants a superstate, just as Hitler did

[The_Equalizer]

Back on the topic of Brexit

EU Paid €160 Million to Pro-Remain Groups | Euro Guido

So indirectly Leave taxpayers paid 160 million Euro to pro-Remain groups.

[DodgyAgent]

Back on the topic of Brexit

EU Paid €160 Million to Pro-Remain Groups | Euro Guido

[original PM]

, but most respondents believed they would be financially better off with the Tories ( ).

Yes indeed - because anyone who actually has any money will have to give it up under Corbyn - the only way you can get his true end state of communism is for everyone to own nothing and that state to own everything.

Mock the tories all you want - then go look at North Korea.

[jamesbrown]

Mugs...

zackly

[AtW]

most respondents believed they would be financially better off with the Tories ( ).

Mugs...

[jamesbrown]

Will be interesting to see the turnout. Are we still looking like Brexit could be more likely to happen due to the age range of people who are more likely to attend the poles?

No, not really, although turnout will be very important for the reason you mention. Most of the polls now correct for turnout, and this is one reason that the polling on Leave has improved (i.e. the turnout factor is now accounted for in most polls, at least the online ones). Both the online and telephone polls suffer from methodological biases, and the answer is probably somewhere in between the two (i.e. there is still a lead for Remain, due to the substantial lead for Remain in the phone polls). However, it's a moving target over time. Also, the phone polls are definitely subject to a social acceptability bias (fewer people want to associate themselves with Leave when talking to other people, and the online polls do not suffer this, but they do suffer a sample selection bias, i.e. more people sampled online have strident opinions). These competing factors are impossible to reliably estimate and separate. The bookies have a Remain win at ~70%.

Finally, if you believe the private polling from the Remain side, they are predicting a substantial win (58/42) for Remain because the headline polling numbers (which are much closer) are contradicted by the details. Specifically, Remain is strongly ahead on whether each respondent believes they would be financially better off to Remain in the EU. The latter indicator proved to be decisive in the recent general election when the headline polls were tight, but most respondents believed they would be financially better off with the Tories ( ).

[suityou01]

Yeah, don't **** with the Germans:

Fliegende Haifisch?

[darmstadt]

Yeah, don't **** with the Germans:

[Malcolm Buggeridge]

Will be interesting to see the turnout. Are we still looking like Brexit could be more likely to happen due to the age range of people who are more likely to attend the poles?

I have to say, that's an awfully long way to go to cast one's vote!

[administrator]

Will be interesting to see the turnout. Are we still looking like Brexit could be more likely to happen due to the age range of people who are more likely to attend the poles?

[darmstadt]

I hope the establishment pay you well

[AtW]

Only Swiss democracy is real, all others very very poor copies that are much worse.

I welcome EU referendum even if it's Brexit because more people should give a tulip and come vote - more people should demand DIRECT democracy through referendums, those scummy politicians can't be trusted with these decisions.

[SueEllen]

UK is super democratic - two party politics and total waste of voting in safe seats

Safe seats do become unsafe even without boundary changes as my ex-MP found out.

You need to get 70% plus of people in the area to vote and have a proportion of the population e.g. students that changes regularly.

[AtW]

UK is super democratic - two party politics and total waste of voting in safe seats

[scooterscot]

It's pretty clear that a vote to remain is a green light for a supertate. EU army, EU regulations and laws to replace any democratic input at the UK level. [/B]

We did strike the match. Reap what you sow. And you can hardly call our law making democratic. We vote a party. They make up a law we never heard of or voted for. It gets passed onto an unelected house who decide for the rest of us. Democratic.. please.