Reply to: Permie jobs

[jamesbrown]

If you think your dentist is earning £40K a year, ask him how he affords to live in a million pound house and drive a £100K car.

Solicitors too.

Sure, for a dentist that has their own practice or a partner in a law firm, but this covers anyone in a given category, from newly qualified upwards.

Your average professional, across all professions (law, architecture, medicine etc.), isn't on a spectacular salary, particularly outside of London. As a contractor, it's easy to lose sight of the relatively lowly wages of skilled permies.

Permies don't make money from work anymore, they make money from houses.

[original PM]

You mean your clients' data. The clients' who have agreed to have their data held outside the EU...

Unless you work for a company and not a consultancy

[SueEllen]

Good news but in general chucking your company data offshore is a risk...

You mean your clients' data. The clients' who have agreed to have their data held outside the EU...

[nomadd]

£500k seems reasonable to me. That's normally what I charge for anything that mentions "offshore teams"...

Oh, wait..

[original PM]

Lawyers and accountant's back office roles are being off-shored.

Anyway lots of IT roles are coming back on-shore or being near shored.

Good news but in general chucking your company data offshore is a risk...

[SueEllen]

IT wages are being forced lower for reasons we all know.

Do you think that the current bodies who look after say accountants would not be up in arms if accounts departments started to offshore their clerks?

Fact is there is huge protectionism over the old school jobs like lawyers and accountants just to protect jobs for the boys.

Lawyers and accountant's back office roles are being off-shored.

Anyway lots of IT roles are coming back on-shore or being near shored.

[original PM]

I understand your anger but the IT wages are getting lower and lower.

IT wages are being forced lower for reasons we all know.

Do you think that the current bodies who look after say accountants would not be up in arms if accounts departments started to offshore their clerks?

Fact is there is huge protectionism over the old school jobs like lawyers and accountants just to protect jobs for the boys.

[Bee]

My point is, how the hell does a senior IT role, managing an offshore delivery team in a high pressure environment pay £50K? They are looking for someone with at least 10 years experience of delivering IT solutions to the company, but salaries are the same at 15 years ago?

IT has gone nowhere since 2000.

Still it has gone over your empty heas as usual, so don't worry about it.

I understand your anger but the IT wages are getting lower and lower.

[barrydidit]

The list is just PAYE salaries.

Yeah, but that street sweeper will make twice my salary next year...

[SueEllen]

That list is utter bollox.

If you think your dentist is earning £40K a year, ask him how he affords to live in a million pound house and drive a £100K car.

Solicitors too.

And those trade salaries are for permie trades people. Brickies and plumbers running a limited will be paying themselves dividends and receiving a lot of income (cough) cash in hand.

They can't include dentists, builders, plumbers, solicitors, accountants etc who use a limited company.

The list is just PAYE salaries.

[FatLazyContractor]

UK’s Average Annual Wages 2015

1. Brokers - £133,677

The ones who deal with women of pleasure?

[DimPrawn]

That list is utter bollox.

If you think your dentist is earning £40K a year, ask him how he affords to live in a million pound house and drive a £100K car.

Solicitors too.

And those trade salaries are for permie trades people. Brickies and plumbers running a limited will be paying themselves dividends and receiving a lot of income (cough) cash in hand.

[SunnyInHades]

50k is a high salary. Unless this is in London?

UK’s Average Annual Wages 2015

1. Brokers - £133,677
2. Chief executives and senior officials - £107,703
3. Aircraft pilots and flight engineers - £90,146
4. Marketing and sales directors - £82,962
5. Advertising and public relations directors - £77,619
6. Legal professionals - £73,425
7. Medical practitioners – £69,463
8. Human resource managers and directors - £56,315
9. Sales accounts and business development managers - £51,576

10. Senior professionals of educational establishments - £49,679
11. Senior officers in fire, ambulance, prison and related services - £48,228
12. Business and financial project management professionals – £47,795
13. Train and tram drivers - £47,101
14. Solicitors - £46,576
15. Taxation experts - £46.551
16. Finance and investment analysts and advisers - £45,490
17. Property, housing and estate managers - £44,423
18. Insurance underwriters - £43,487
19. Barristers and judges - £43,368
20. Architects - £43,029
21. Financial accounts managers - £41,389
22. Quantity surveyors - £41,086
23. Information technology and telecommunications professionals - £40,957
24. Programmers and software development professionals - £40,748
25. Construction project managers and related professionals - £40,519
26. Advertising accounts managers and creative directors - £40,510
27. Dental practitioners - £40,268
28. Civil engineers - £40,200
29. Rail transport operatives - £40,060
30. Higher education teaching professionals - £40,054
31. Police officers (sergeant and below) - £38,720
32. Chartered and certified accountants - £38,692
33. Veterinarians - £37,763
34. Arts officers, producers and directors - £37,519
35. Pharmacists - £37,439 39. Paramedics - £36,771
36. Psychologists - £36,495
37. Chartered surveyors - £36,470
38. Rail construction and maintenance operatives - £35,781
39. Crane drivers - £35,458
40. Journalists, newspaper and periodical editors - £34,639
41. Engineering technicians - £34,355
42. Education advisers and school inspectors - £31,655
43. Medical radiographers - £31,521
44. Ophthalmic opticians - £30,834
45. Rail travel assistants - £30,698
46. Electricians and electrical fitters - £30,345
47. Leisure and sports managers - £30,201
48. Probation officers - £30,026
49. Primary and nursery education teaching professionals - £29,908
50. Web design and development professionals - £29,856
51. Marketing associate professionals - £29,797
52. Midwives - £29,529
53. Public relations professionals - £29,488
54. Human resources and industrial relations officers - £29,221
55. Hotel and accommodation managers - £29,161
56. Social workers - £28,745
57. Physiotherapists - £28,560
58. Customer service managers and supervisors - £28,387
59. Product, clothing and related designers - £28,346
60. Plumbers - £27,330
61. Speech and language therapists - £26,765
62. Medical and dental technicians - £26,440
63. Nurses - £26,252
64. Occupational therapists - £26,037
65. Police community support officers - £26,012
66. Graphic designers - £25,952
67. IT engineers - £25,934
68. Authors, writers and translators - £25,767
69. Mechanics and electricians - £25,145
70. Librarians - £24,927
71. Carpenters and joiners - £24,817
72. Bricklayers and masons - £24,790
73. Estate agents and auctioneers - £24,622
74. Finance officers - £24,418
75. Restaurant and catering establishment managers - £23,781
76. Artists - £23,228
77. Farmers - £22,763
78. Ambulance staff (excluding paramedics) - £22,582
79. Painters and decorators - £22,351
80. Archivists and curators - £22,264
81. Bus drivers - £22,176
82. Hairdressing and beauty salon managers - £22,113
83. Laboratory technicians - £21,533
84. Musicians - £21,410
85. Fork-lift truck drivers - £21,345
86. Book-keepers, payroll managers and wages clerks - £20,915
87. Youth and community workers - £20,491
88. Personal assistants and other secretaries – £19,738
89. Bank and post office clerks - £19,557
90. Teachers - £18,604
91. Catering and bar managers - £18,535
92. Legal secretary - £18,425
93. Landscape Gardener - £18,010
94. Telephone salespersons - £17,549
95. Counsellors - £17,526
96. Chefs - £17,513
97. Undertakers - £17,414
98. Street cleaners - £17,402
99. Travel agents - £17,081
100. Veterinary nurses - £16,746

Senior care workers £16,609
Dental nurses £14,788
Care workers £12,650
Teaching assistants £11,916
Nursery assistants £11,734
Beauticians £11,618
Hairdressers and barbers £10,019
Cleaners £7,919
Waitresses £7,554
Waiters £7,554
Bar staff £7,404

[DimPrawn]

they are not looking for someone to succeed they are looking for someone to fail and take the blame.

Suity, your next job has arrived.

[Andy2]

why are you looking at permie roles
wash your eyes with xtra strong bleach