Reply to: Vechicle Exise Duty

[seanraaron]

B) - it's all about revenue, always and forever.

When electric cars some in they'll have big problem as their take from petrol is very high, I reckon they'd mandate per mile charging on motorways using cameras that can already record number plates.

Cue an uptake in 4x4 ownership and creative interpretation of "Right to Roam"

[AtW]

A) Even the "clean" ones are still dirty, meaning they're causing failure of air quality regs

B) There's a lot less revenue unless they remove the low-carbon exemption. I expect if half the cars are electric over the next few years you'll see the zero emissions exemption disappear as well and they'll just bill by the axel or something.

B) - it's all about revenue, always and forever.

When electric cars some in they'll have big problem as their take from petrol is very high, I reckon they'd mandate per mile charging on motorways using cameras that can already record number plates.

[seanraaron]

Well I suppose it's an incentive for manufacturers to keep cutting emmisions, also if I understand correctly any 5yr old used car will be 140 quid if under 40k new.

It seems like a combination of realising that loads of people were switching to low-carbon diesel and

A) Even the "clean" ones are still dirty, meaning they're causing failure of air quality regs

B) There's a lot less revenue unless they remove the low-carbon exemption. I expect if half the cars are electric over the next few years you'll see the zero emissions exemption disappear as well and they'll just bill by the axel or something.

[AtW]

My Outland Revenue manipulation scheme should work, until they retrospectively break my legs and thumbs, in their usual manner.

FTFY

[clearedforlanding]

The list price of HMRC should be same as it is now for BIKs, which (could be mistake here) I believe list price for base model without extra options.

Ah I see. The estimate for the X in the US is $35k, which we all know will translate to £45k ish.

My HMRC manipulation scheme should work, until they retrospectively 'amend' the tax laws, in their usual manner.

[AtW]

Then yes? Buy the car at the list price, add the features later.

The list price of HMRC should be same as it is now for BIKs, which (could be mistake here) I believe list price for base model without extra options.

[clearedforlanding]

HMRC will be using list price

Then yes? Buy the car at the list price, add the features later.

[AtW]

Would it be possible to game the system by disabling everything on the X

HMRC will be using list price

[clearedforlanding]

Well I suppose it's an incentive for manufacturers to keep cutting emission, also if I understand correctly any 5yr old used car will be 140 quid if under 40k new.

This 40k limit though is sure not to rise as fast as inflation, so will trap more and more cars per year. Also how does this work with cars like the Outlander Phev, currently it attracts no road tax but the range topping model is over 40k attracting the premium, yet it's as low emmission as all the other phevs. Seems poorly thought out.

It should be interesting to see how this pans out with the Tesla X. On my S all the hardware is already there and I receive over the air software updates that enable new features.

Would it be possible to game the system by disabling everything on the X and then paying for features on collection of the car once it is licensed and taxed I wonder.

BMW should catch on to this. I remember being the mug who paid over £1200 for a TV tuner.

[AtW]

Seems poorly thought out.

It's well thought out to shaft the drivers.

Manufacturers will be forced to keep cutting emissions because EU requires them to do so.

[ZARDOZ]

Did anyone else notice this from the summer budget?

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...le-excise-duty

Well I suppose it's an incentive for manufacturers to keep cutting emmisions, also if I understand correctly any 5yr old used car will be 140 quid if under 40k new.

This 40k limit though is sure not to rise as fast as inflation, so will trap more and more cars per year. Also how does this work with cars like the Outlander Phev, currently it attracts no road tax but the range topping model is over 40k attracting the premium, yet it's as low emmission as all the other phevs. Seems poorly thought out.

[SueEllen]

They probably put a psychopath to do the job...

I love autocorrect on phones.

[AtW]

Emm the person who designs most cycle lanes not normally doesn't cycle otherwise they wouldn't put them in the most stupid place possible.

They probably put a psychopath to do the job...

[SueEllen]

Make the bastards pay for the shiny new cycle lanes that they don't use and that are causing so much disruption in London at the moment.

Emm the person who designs most cycle lanes not normally doesn't cycle otherwise they wouldn't put them in the most stupid place possible.

[AtW]

That sounds harsh, I was going to suggest a "boot" that prevents you lifting your feet.

It's a higher cost option, requires more training for installers and lacks minimum necessary deterrent required in this situation.

HTH