Reply to: Thank god for capitalism

[SpontaneousOrder]

But who really gives a tulip? Maybe if every post didn't contain some kind of slur, and was in some way readable and actually had a point, then people might have a bit more time but as it is, most people read through and just think you're banging on about 'lefties' again so the general consensus is, **** him, he's mad and got some kind of bee in his bonnet.

Which relates to the petty envy in what way?

They are out in the open displaying their petty envy and running anything that doesn't work.

[DodgyAgent]

But who really gives a tulip? Maybe if every post didn't contain some kind of slur, and was in some way readable and actually had a point, then people might have a bit more time but as it is, most people read through and just think you're banging on about 'lefties' again so the general consensus is, **** him, he's mad and got some kind of bee in his bonnet.

If I make a comment about lefties I always back it up with an argument and evidence. Or I make a joke/slur with a one liner.

[darmstadt]

If you bothered to read my post I spend a lot of energy exposing envy and jealousy which is usually disguised by lefties who pretend that their attitudes are shaped by a desire to help others. if you can show me an example of being jealous I would like to see it. as far as contractors are concerned they have been my bread and butter for many years and by and large they I like them (which is why I am rude to them ). I am certainly not envious of them.

here is the latest example of what I mean

Left wingers have clearer ideas but unfortunately their 'solutions' tend to work out worse in practice than free market capitalism.

If left wing ideology does not work then why on earth think it or believe it unless it serves some other purpose (like satisfying envy). If "lefties" truly care about others then they would promote a system and ideology that serves their victim friends in practice. The fact that left wing ideology is of no practical use is surely bad for the less fortunate. One can only conclude that lefties have another agenda that is far removed from a desire to help the less fortunate.

What I do respect is those who genuinely want to help the poor like John Bird the founder of the big issue who wants to give people confidence aspiration and support to be able themselves to enjoy the freedoms and responsibilities of the free market world. This is opposed to you and your ilk who really want to condemn the less fortunate to an inhumane world of handouts and benefits thrown to them by people like you in order to make you feel better about yourselves.

But who really gives a tulip? Maybe if every post didn't contain some kind of slur, and was in some way readable and actually had a point, then people might have a bit more time but as it is, most people read through and just think you're banging on about 'lefties' again so the general consensus is, **** him, he's mad and got some kind of bee in his bonnet.

[DodgyAgent]

The majority of your posts mention either 'leftie' or 'contractor' which means that you have some kind of chip on your shoulder which I suspect is some form of jealousy (contractor) or rejection (leftie.) I'll leave it up to the reader to decide

If you bothered to read my post I spend a lot of energy exposing envy and jealousy which is usually disguised by lefties who pretend that their attitudes are shaped by a desire to help others. if you can show me an example of being jealous I would like to see it. as far as contractors are concerned they have been my bread and butter for many years and by and large they I like them (which is why I am rude to them ). I am certainly not envious of them.

here is the latest example of what I mean

Left wingers have clearer ideas but unfortunately their 'solutions' tend to work out worse in practice than free market capitalism.

If left wing ideology does not work then why on earth think it or believe it unless it serves some other purpose (like satisfying envy). If "lefties" truly care about others then they would promote a system and ideology that serves their victim friends in practice. The fact that left wing ideology is of no practical use is surely bad for the less fortunate. One can only conclude that lefties have another agenda that is far removed from a desire to help the less fortunate.

What I do respect is those who genuinely want to help the poor like John Bird the founder of the big issue who wants to give people confidence aspiration and support to be able themselves to enjoy the freedoms and responsibilities of the free market world. This is opposed to you and your ilk who really want to condemn the less fortunate to an inhumane world of handouts and benefits thrown to them by people like you in order to make you feel better about yourselves.

[darmstadt]

example please

They are out in the open displaying their petty envy and running anything that doesn't work.

The majority of your posts mention either 'leftie' or 'contractor' which means that you have some kind of chip on your shoulder which I suspect is some form of jealousy (contractor) or rejection (leftie.) I'll leave it up to the reader to decide

[DodgyAgent]

Left wingers have clearer ideas but unfortunately their 'solutions' tend to work out worse in practice than free market capitalism.

[SpontaneousOrder]

You're doing the same thing. You are equating 'capitalist' with something like 'entrepreneur'. Capitalism is not about the market economy. It's about controlling jobs.

It's about NOT controlling jobs. Sheesh. If you didn't spread outright lies it would be easier for people to consider the ideas seriously.

As far back as Adam Smith, it was obvious capitalism does not equate to 'growth'.

Who said it did? Straw-manning?

A lot of our state interventionist market actions right across the world are to stop capitalists creating monopoloies, oligopolies, cartels etc.

This stands as a valid point only if you a priori presuppose those things to be bad. The reality is that they are only bad when government creates them, as it currently does in most countries.

Growth under the Soviet System was many times faster than had been seen in Western democracies.

Which is why the standard of living in the soviet union was so high, right?

That in turn has been outpaced by China. Obviously I'm not saying these systems are more innovative or anything but they do permit huge increases in living standards - hugely bigger cakes.

China only happened when they opened up their markets (i.e. not communist). The areas of China that aren't opened up like that exist largely in abject poverty.

A lot of right wingers have muddled views of political systems.

Do you include yourself in that group?

Left wingers have clearer ideas but unfortunately their 'solutions' tend to work out worse in practice than free market capitalism.

We're talking about economic systems, although politics is essentially a product of economics. So they understand it better but routinely perform to the contrary ?

As Churchill remarked "Democracy is the worst form of government. Apart from all the others"

It's nothing to do with democracy. It's all about economic calculation and Praxeology.

[DodgyAgent]

What, like you?

example please

[darmstadt]

They are no longer under the bed. They are out in the open displaying their petty envy and running anything that doesn't work.

What, like you?

[DodgyAgent]

I bet you still:

They are no longer under the bed. They are out in the open displaying their petty envy and running anything that doesn't work.

[Cirrus]

a capitalist is someone who fights for a bigger cake

You're doing the same thing. You are equating 'capitalist' with something like 'entrepreneur'. Capitalism is not about the market economy. It's about controlling jobs. As far back as Adam Smith, it was obvious capitalism does not equate to 'growth'. A lot of our state interventionist market actions right across the world are to stop capitalists creating monopoloies, oligopolies, cartels etc.

Growth under the Soviet System was many times faster than had been seen in Western democracies. That in turn has been outpaced by China. Obviously I'm not saying these systems are more innovative or anything but they do permit huge increases in living standards - hugely bigger cakes.

A lot of right wingers have muddled views of political systems. Left wingers have clearer ideas but unfortunately their 'solutions' tend to work out worse in practice than free market capitalism. As Churchill remarked "Democracy is the worst form of government. Apart from all the others"

[darmstadt]

Perhaps yoo would care to proffer an alternative to capitalism. I find it interesting that like a true leftie hypocrite manipulator you equate individual freedom and responsibilty with selfishness. Perhaps you would care to show me some system that is not selfish with some examples. A point that is missed by your ilk is that the freedoms endowed on people within a capitalist system create the wealth that would otherwise not exist. The problem (again with people like you) is that you see redistribution as a punishment for being rich. redistribution should be a means of helping all to aspire to being free and independent. Instead it is used to squander vast sums on people and institutions that fail day in day out to support the people who need to be supported.

I bet you still:

[DodgyAgent]

Everyone around here thinks they're mini-IBMs so you won't make many friends saying that.

Think about it: that doesn't work. Means of production are very specifically the contexts that allow you to use your hands and grey stuff to earn a living.

No. Capitalism was largely about the industrial revolution which of course massively increased the means of production.

If you're right-wing it is easy to dismiss these kinds of analysis because basically they try to limit your desires to do whatever you like without considering whether a purely selfish existence is a good thing. I'm not saying it is or it isn't but whichever, it's a philosophical point not a given.

Personally I think Anglo-Saxon capitalism is questionable. The UK, America etc have developed a disturbing chasm between the well-off and the low wage earners.

Perhaps yoo would care to proffer an alternative to capitalism. I find it interesting that like a true leftie hypocrite manipulator you equate individual freedom and responsibilty with selfishness. Perhaps you would care to show me some system that is not selfish with some examples. A point that is missed by your ilk is that the freedoms endowed on people within a capitalist system create the wealth that would otherwise not exist. The problem (again with people like you) is that you see redistribution as a punishment for being rich. redistribution should be a means of helping all to aspire to being free and independent. Instead it is used to squander vast sums on people and institutions that fail day in day out to support the people who need to be supported.

[Flashman]

Mark Zuckerberg plans to build his own AI personal assistant - 04 Jan 2016 - Computing News

Ava? Is that you? Has the dude not seen Ex Machina?

[EternalOptimist]

everyone is redefining the fckng English language these days. so I am going to have a go

a socialist is someone who fights for a bigger slice of the cake for his group and pays no attention to where the cake came from.

a capitalist is someone who fights for a bigger cake and doesn't care where it goes to, as long as his slice grows proportionately