Reply to: Considering Permie Work

[lukemg]

I would consider permie roles, especially if I was working away all week, that is seriously painful and can take over your life.
Have to look at prospects for advancement, pension, bonus, marketable training (negotiate on the way in). In addition, is the market for your core skills on the wain, might be time to head for safe harbour.
If you have time, go for it anyway, see what they say, if you get it you can make a decision.

[BoredBloke]

No I don't live in Cowley - but I stay near it while down here, opposite the uni.

Decided I'm going to politely tel the agtent to forget about putting me forward.

[mcquiggd]

Unfortunately, the answer is, yes.... perhaps that's why we have such a lax attitude to immigration.

[HankWangford]

45k? What's the point in being a perm on 45k? Yup, you get paid holidays, but you won't earn enough to be able to afford to go anywhere anyway!

You'll end up spending your 5 weeks 'paid' holiday at home and the wife will have you decorating and fixing all kinds of tulipe around the house, which will cost you even more money, thus your 45 drops even further!

If you do take the job...then you want a car allowance...

Benefit in kind (car and fuel card) can do serious damage to your tax code.

45k is hank, easy less than £3k a month, if your getting 20% bonus, + car,+30 days a/l then it's a maybe.
What makes me laugh about permie rates is do the companies actually consider how someone could afford to buy a house in the area. had an email yesterday, 5 yrs c#, sql server, xml, ajax etc etc Epsom Surrey, 28-33k, yeah right, cant believe these pimps actually take these low paid roles from the client. I would ask them do they really think they will hire anybody verging on half good for that money.
Christ you can get more temping as a legal admin in london. Do agents actually think people work their ass off for ten years in a technical environment for 33 fekin grand

[premiere]

45k? What's the point in being a perm on 45k? Yup, you get paid holidays, but you won't earn enough to be able to afford to go anywhere anyway!

You'll end up spending your 5 weeks 'paid' holiday at home and the wife will have you decorating and fixing all kinds of tulipe around the house, which will cost you even more money, thus your 45 drops even further!

If you do take the job...then you want a car allowance...

Benefit in kind (car and fuel card) can do serious damage to your tax code.

[hyperD]

I worked and lived in Uxbridge once. Worked near the Uxbridge One building briefly (or One Big Durex as we liked to call it).

The Big Yarn did some cheap pints. 3 Tuns was OK.

Cowley was pretty horrible. Er, you don't live in Cowley do you Tone?

[BoredBloke]

"You'll miss Uxbridge."

No I bloody won't. Got a 3 day jolly out to Berlin next week and working from home for the rest.

The more I think about it, the more I'm not doing the permie role. As contracting goes, I'm not on the great rates many of you lot are (325) but dropping to 45K gross is too big a drop to take - although quite fancy the idea of 30 days holiday per year. That's like being back at school!

[kramer]

i was wagging last week... who cares. I earn enought to cover the gap.. thats why i contract more money and more time off...

[expat]

But think of the time your having while your away......

Making up the hours lost for the weekly commute, phoning home every evening, trying to catch up on sleep lost from the Monday morning 4:45 alarm, spending several hours every week in the environment most interesting to Al Qaeda, putting on weight from the fact that dinner and beer are the only spare-time pursuits, .....

[Churchill]

I'm enjoying my permie job.

Can't wait to be off sick!

[tim123]

I don't think that 45K even come close to being enough.

And it isn't just a case of "will you be able to live on it" it's "will the potential employer believe that you are serious in wanting his perm job"?

IME, being approached by a pimp for a perm job means nothing. I'm often approached by them for junior roles paying under 25K, just because I have matched on a buzz word. I ask them "Do you really think that an employer is going to consider someone with 20 years experience for a junior role" and they go away (until the next time).

tim

[wendigo100]

You'll miss Uxbridge.

[Mr Crosby]

It is jack all. But if, say, you get 550€ a day in Europe, so have to commute weekly at a cost of 150€/d average, and every year have 2 wks enforced public hols + 2 wks holiday + 2 times 2 weeks looking for contracts, then you're not really better off and you're away all the time.

But think of the time your having while your away......

[AtW]

Then they are including a car which means that the fat controller will get even more of what's left!

If it is close then use your car and tell them to give you cash allowance for car to be part of wage.

Don't think it is a question of money (at least for me) - being a permie requires special frame of mind.

[expat]

Tony, £45k is jack all. I would not even consider it unless you are living in lo-cost Scumville and your commute will be a 5 minute walk to work. Tube drivers earn that much.

It is jack all. But if, say, you get 550€ a day in Europe, so have to commute weekly at a cost of 150€/d average, and every year have 2 wks enforced public hols + 2 wks holiday + 2 times 2 weeks looking for contracts, then you're not really better off and you're away all the time.