Reply to: '655,000 Iraqis killed since invasion'

[wendigo100]

It wouldn't ever be "our problem", just like this one wasn't.

Home Secretary Jack Straw told BBC One's evening news: "We've already taken almost 10,000 refugees from Kosovo, the second-highest number of any of our EU partners, and we stand ready to take some thousands more."

You can see from this how our borders ended up in the mess they are now.

[wendigo100]

Surely the enlightened policy is to let them all kill each other then there's fewer of them to come here?

Joe, that is a very good point. It is nature's way.

[Joe Black]

Kosovo and Somalia interventions were the result of a progressive and enlightened US Foreign policy under the Democrats.

Surely the enlightened policy is to let them all kill each other then there's fewer of them to come here?

[AlfredJPruffock]

Neither did Kosovo or Somalia

Oh and if Iraq was all about oil then why havent the prices come down since we supposedly control all them lovely oil fields now!

Mailman

ps. Sorry for being late

You might be late but nevetheless incorrect once again.

Kosovo and Somalia interventions were the result of a progressive and enlightened US Foreign policy under the Democrats.

The Republican Foreign policy is an absolute shambles.

They have only intervened where it was profitable for the Oil Industry and the interests of Millitary Industrial complex and the Washington Israeli Lobby.

Look at the progress Clinton made with the Middle East Peace Process compared to the reckless approach by the Republicans who helped to arm Israel in their botched Lebanese War.

Furthermore one reason that North Korea has become so volatile is a consequence of the Axis Of Evil speech.

NK was placed on that list so that it was not apparent that Bush was targetting only contrys in the Middle East who had Oil and Muslim populations.

NKs reaction to the destruction of Iraq was a determination that they would not meet with a similar fate.

Hence the rapdi developemnts of the Nukes,and the US is too afraid now to attack.

No Oil there MailMan and nor interest from Tel Aviv either.

Another fine mess Mr Bush.

No wonder Colin Powell descibed these incompetents as 'crazies' ....

[Joe Black]

Interesting point.

I remember seeing the Berlin wall come down and thinking "Oh God! Now we'll have some tulipe going down".

The Soviet Union, like Saddam, kept a lid on all kinds of simmering racial, territorial and religious hatered.

'Freedom' to these nutjobs just means they are free to go on a killing spree and massacre their neighbours.

And?

As I suggested it comes down to a judgement call. It's difficult to say what might or might not have happened if he was simply left to his own devices.

Speculation aside, Saddam being mortal it's certain that one day, just like Tito, his reign on things would no doubt have come to an end, and then what?

It wouldn't ever be "our problem", just like this one wasn't.

[bogeyman]

enjoys golf, having shot multiple holes-in-one during his first try at the game on PyongYang's par-72 international golf course.

Is that unusual then?

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[wendigo100]

there is no way the US is going to feck around with China

I'd go further - they'd rather China did something about NK rather than have to do it themselves.

They are up against a formidable opponent in Kim Jong Il - he is a renaissance man who has flown fighter aircraft, written operas and enjoys golf, having shot multiple holes-in-one during his first try at the game on PyongYang's par-72 international golf course. He reportedly aced five holes and finished 38 under par after his first round. He routinely shoots three or four holes-in-one per round.

Luckily for Tiger Woods and the rest, he's more interested in starving his people and behaving like a twat than joining the US PGA.

[bogeyman]

Neither did Kosovo or Somalia

Oh and if Iraq was all about oil then why havent the prices come down since we supposedly control all them lovely oil fields now!

Mailman

ps. Sorry for being late

It's ok to be late. Just be sorry for being a twat.

And it's not about oil per-se. It's about regional control and influence, and getting some bunce for the huge 'reconstruction projects' that ensue to the good ole' boys at Haliburton etc.

Even the US realises that oil is rapidly becoming yesterday's agenda, so they'd better make the most of it while they are the world's only oil-based superpower (a bit like saving up for your retirement).

The USA's 'pension' is going to anything they can grab, and hold onto now.

[Mailman]

Exactamundo...

The important point is "doesn't have oil"...

Neither did Kosovo or Somalia

Oh and if Iraq was all about oil then why havent the prices come down since we supposedly control all them lovely oil fields now!

Mailman

ps. Sorry for being late

[bogeyman]

Exactamundo...

The important point is "doesn't have oil"...

Even if they were floating on a sea of the stuff, the US wouldn't dare because:

1) The NK military are a formidable and highly motivated force. They hate the US even more than the mad Mullahs do (believing through indoctrination that the US started the Korean war by invading).

2) They have already kicked Uncle Sam's arse once and the shame of another kicking would be unthinkable.

3) They can't effectively fight in two arenas at once. The Iranians would probably take the opportunity to start kicking off.

4) China would take a pretty dim view - and there is no way the US is going to feck around with China.

[AtW]

Terrain there does not favour tanks - bombing from air won't help much as NKns were digging deep tunnels in mountains for the last few decades.

[bogeyman]

Similarly, I read yesterday that South Korea SUPPORT the North Korean regime, because they don't want all those starving and commie Pyong-Yangers pouring over their border.

Quite so.

Vaguely heared on the radio this morning that some Whitehouse official was asked by a journo when the US would be invading NK as they clearly DID have Weapons of Mass Destruction, no question about it!

The Whitehouse bod said it was a somewhat different situation (i.e. NK can punch back and doesn't have oil).

I expect the the Iranians are paying attention. The US is a bully and a coward.

[AlfredJPruffock]

John Snow was interviewing the USA Secretary of State (?) about Korea on C4 news and asked as we invaded Iraq because we believed they had WMD, now that we know that Korea has definitely got them, will the US invade shortly?

He smoothly replied that this was different as Korea was using this as a means of posturing within the global arena and has a history of it.

Er, OK then.

The hypocriscy of the Bush administration is astounding.

[Churchill]

Surely you're not suggesting that all we've done is destabilise these regions...

Churchill - In "Tongue firmly in cheek" mode!

[wendigo100]

It appears that Saddam treated Iraqis the way they need to be treated and that kept a lid on all this.

Quite. And that isn't hindsight. We knew that before we invaded.

Similarly, I read yesterday that South Korea SUPPORT the North Korean regime, because they don't want all those starving and commie Pyong-Yangers pouring over their border.