Reply to: Living Wage

[minestrone]

Especially that archaic and hard to understand dividends tax credit system...

Tory s

Last time I voted me thinking.

Such a material change should have been in their manifesto.

You are probably more used to a 5 year plan and the odd purge cycle

[SpontaneousOrder]

Especially that archaic and hard to understand dividends tax credit system...

Tory s

Last time I voted me thinking.

Such a material change should have been in their manifesto.

Manifesto is to win votes. Doesn't matter, in terms of votes, whether we get stiffed or not.

[AtW]

I don't see it as anything other than correcting the tax credit system.

Especially that archaic and hard to understand dividends tax credit system...

Tory s

Last time I voted me thinking.

Such a material change should have been in their manifesto.

[minestrone]

Does anybody seriously believe that the National Minimum Living Wage is anything other than a deliberate inflationary measure?

I don't see it as anything other than correcting the tax credit system.

[Contreras]

Does anybody seriously believe that the National Minimum Living Wage is anything other than a deliberate inflationary measure?

[SpontaneousOrder]

Why didn't Osbourne put his mouth ahead of his balls and put into law that both sexes get paid exactly the same when doing the same job

They do. They have done for a very long time.
The only way to remove the pay gap (I have no idea why you'd want to, but if you did) would be to stop men & women from choosing their own career paths.

For example, you'd have to stop men from choosing to be surgeons so much, and stop women from choosing to work in paediatrics so much, in favour of being a surgeon. Or measure 'the same job' less generally.


You'd also have to force more men to only work part-time, and force more women to leave their children in the care of strangers, or their husbands (which may fit into them working less hours nicely), while they work full-time.

But... why?

[AtW]

'Cost of living' ? Housing benefit. Tax credits. Free healthcare.
Try turning up on their doorstep and getting that lot in America or Australia.

Don't know about Australia, but cost of living in USA is a lot lower than UK.

Housing benefit, tax credits all going in this country, that was the reason why it was possible to have such low minimum wage - taxpayer subsidy to some employers.

[Flashman]

And costs of living in UK ought to be pretty high up there too...

'Cost of living' ? Housing benefit. Tax credits. Free healthcare.

Try turning up on their doorstep and getting that lot in America or Australia.

[darmstadt]

However, in keeping with policy, the living wage for women will, of course, be less than that for men.

Why didn't Osbourne put his mouth ahead of his balls and put into law that both sexes get paid exactly the same when doing the same job: UK has sixth-largest male-female pay gap in EU - Telegraph

[AtW]

£9 p/h will be the highest minimum wage in Europe, seemingly.

And costs of living in UK ought to be pretty high up there too...

[unixman]

£9 p/h will be the highest minimum wage in Europe, seemingly.

[SpontaneousOrder]

I've got no problem with living or minimum wage. Increasing it a lot might make immigration worse though, by making low paid jobs more attractive to EU citizens. Or not, if it makes work more attractive to British citizens too.

Would you have a problem with it if your son or daughter left school and it was illegal for them to get a job, because the marginal productivity they were able to add was less than £9 per hour?

[SpontaneousOrder]

It worked even better in times of Dickens when kids were doing their bit for society by mining for coal!

Did well for child mortality rates.

[unixman]

I've got no problem with living or minimum wage. Increasing it a lot might make immigration worse though, by making low paid jobs more attractive to EU citizens. Or not, if it makes work more attractive to British citizens too.

[TykeMerc]

Funny thing is the miners fought running battles with the police to keep their hellhole jobs....

That may have something to do with:-

Mining jobs were well paid.
Mining was a "job for life" they wanted to preserve that.
Allowances for all sorts of stuff were freely available and lucrative.
Paid holidays were good.
The unionisation was very strong (for good historical reasons) and the miners knew that they held a lot of power collectively.
Entire communities revolved around each pit, the miners and their families wanted to protect those.

There were more than a few other reasons.