Reply to: Passing

[mudskipper]

In todays indie, she (Dolezal) apparently called for a boycott of a film, because white actors played black roles


She described the film as "highly offensive", and accused it of "miseducation" (sic), "misrepresentation" and "robbing and shredding ancestry and history".

I felt like that about Renée Zellweger playing Bridget Jones.

[EternalOptimist]

In todays indie, she (Dolezal) apparently called for a boycott of a film, because white actors played black roles


She described the film as "highly offensive", and accused it of "miseducation" (sic), "misrepresentation" and "robbing and shredding ancestry and history".

[mudskipper]

I stopped after, "Adrian Margaret Smith Piper (b. 1948) is a first-generation Conceptual artist and analytic philosopher." Waffly bollocks.

Your loss, I guess.

[GlenW]

In 2012, she retired from being black.
APRAF Berlin: Biography

I stopped after, "Adrian Margaret Smith Piper (b. 1948) is a first-generation Conceptual artist and analytic philosopher." Waffly bollocks.

[mudskipper]

The first issue is trickier. At first I dismissed it, saying she's clearly white, what a loon etc. But who decides she's too white to be black? At what point does someone become black? And if you switch it around, saying someone is too dark skinned to be white, you start sounding like a BNP member. I don't think this applies to her, but it's not as clear cut as I thought it was.

Check out Adrian Piper's Cornered (1988)

https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/0...iper-cornered/ (you can find the actual piece on Youtube)

It's worth a watch.

In 2012, she retired from being black.
APRAF Berlin: Biography

[Gumbo Robot]

At what point does someone become black?

When the Guardian says so. Next...

[Bunk]

It's an odd one. It seems to me there are two issues here. One, she is identifying as black when she may not be, and two, she seems to be a fantasist. The second one is more straightforward, she's clearly made up a history to suit her and to try and reinforce the first one. I saw a program the other night about a guy called Christian Gerhardsreiter (I think) who is on trial for murder in America. He was a German immigrant who invented personas for himself, at one point claiming he was Clarke Rockefeller, of the Rockefeller family. A real life Tom Ripley.

The first issue is trickier. At first I dismissed it, saying she's clearly white, what a loon etc. But who decides she's too white to be black? At what point does someone become black? And if you switch it around, saying someone is too dark skinned to be white, you start sounding like a BNP member. I don't think this applies to her, but it's not as clear cut as I thought it was.

[GlenW]

Of course, the serious point she is making, and being utterly missed, is that ethnic groupings such as 'Black', 'African American' are no more than social constructs; genetically speaking, there is no such thing as 'race'.


Sorry, UKIP.

If it has nothing to do with genetics, why are black people black then?

[SueEllen]

Of course, the serious point she is making, and being utterly missed, is that ethnic groupings such as 'Black', 'African American' are no more than social constructs; genetically speaking, there is no such thing as 'race'.


Sorry, UKIP.

I find it funny that in America she says she is "Black" not "African American", so clearly she knows the difference between the two identity constructs.

[pjclarke]

Of course, the serious point she is making, and being utterly missed, is that ethnic groupings such as 'Black', 'African American' are no more than social constructs; genetically speaking, there is no such thing as 'race'.


Sorry, UKIP.

[SueEllen]

Bet if she went to la south Central and started calling everyone Monica she would find out how black she was :|

She just needs to go to Staines on Thames.....

[original PM]

Bet if she went to la south Central and started calling everyone Monica she would find out how black she was :|

[DimPrawn]

[pjclarke]

Don't mistake permutising for logical rational thought.
use your judgement

Soon as I find out what that made up word means I will stop doing it.

Halford Fairchild, a professor of psychology and Africana studies at Pitzer College and the former president of the Association of Black Psychologists, said that Dolezal’s behavior is the opposite of passing.

“To ‘pass’ as black is comparatively unheard of,” Fairchild said in an email. “But it illustrates a certain ‘insanity’ when it comes to issues of ‘race’ in American life and culture.”

He noted that the country’s first black president has a caucasian mother and that some black people, like supreme court justice Clarence Thomas, “might be black as night but eschew any identification with the black community”.

This is because race is tied to identity politics and not biology.

“Rachel Dolezal is black because she identifies as black,” he said. “Her identity was authentic, as far as I could tell.”

Rachel Dolezal identifying as African American is highly unusual, experts say | US news | The Guardian

[EternalOptimist]

bruce lee got walloped in a night club