Reply to: Death penalty - right or wrong?

[SpontaneousOrder]

The death penalty is uncivilised and barbaric whichever method is used. These two methods just seem more attractive to the mouth-breathing, knuckle-draggers who would have sat in the front row of the crowds at the guillotine during the French Revolution.

A question for you and/or anyone else holding the same opinion...

Do you also believe that crimes absent aggression (i.e. not asault, theft, or fraud) should be met with with violence in order to enforce that broken law?

And do you believe that that violence should be lethal if necessary (after all a law is, by definition, a commitment to escalate the use of violence until the breaker of that law either submits or is killed in the process)?

So *if*you answer yes to the first, then you must answer yes to the second, to which I ask you: what is more barbaric and uncivilised - executing a serial murderer? or killing someone who disagrees with your minimum wage law/tax regime/or is found in possession of images depicting female ejaculation?


And if anyone wants to be particularly intellectually dishonest by claiming that a 'yes' to question 1 doesn't mandate a 'yes' to question 2 - then I'll ask you this instead...

Which is more barbaric and uncivilised - executing a serial murderer or locking someone in a cage for a decade because they disagreed with your minimum wage law/tax regime/or is found in possession of images depicting female ejaculation?

[minestrone]

My brother's wife's sister married a redneck made good. When my brother visited them in the States there was a get together. A redneck told my brother "we don't mind liberals. But homosexuality is too goddamned far!".

I don't think he will visit again.

My friend's multinational employer posted him out to Louisiana for a couple of years, one time he was chatting to the neighbour over the garden fence, the black woman across the road came out to cut her grass and the neighbour said to him "those black babies are just so cute but I hate them all when they grow up"

Anyways, you can argue and logically defend a stance on not having a death penalty, there are crimes so heinous, specifically but not exclusively to children, where I would be happy to pull the lever, shoot the gun, inject the drug or throw the stone.

[BrilloPad]

If you crave an instant feeling of immense superiority just visit one of the pro DP forums in the US. I can't remember the url for any of them but there are some real rednecks on them who say the most ridiculous things.

I once read that the right to keep and bear arms is in an amendment to their Constitution and therefore is more important than any human life.

My brother's wife's sister married a redneck made good. When my brother visited them in the States there was a get together. A redneck told my brother "we don't mind liberals. But homosexuality is too goddamned far!".

I don't think he will visit again.

[BrilloPad]

That's right.
Have the death penalty for little things, a slap on the wrist for big things.

Lets face it, if they hung you for dropping litter, you would never throw anything on the ground , ever. But hanging will never deter a terrorist, so why bother.

This!

I think that cards, instead of having airbags in the steering wheel, should have a big metal spike.

The drivers would take alot more care.

[GlenW]

Why stop at the right to bear arms, surely you could run faster with bear legs as well

I don't think they can do that, most of them put new underwear on at Xmas and don't take it off till the next Xmas.

[MicrosoftBob]

If you crave an instant feeling of immense superiority just visit one of the pro DP forums in the US. I can't remember the url for any of them but there are some real rednecks on them who say the most ridiculous things.

I once read that the right to keep and bear arms is in an amendment to their Constitution and therefore is more important than any human life.

Why stop at the right to bear arms, surely you could run faster with bear legs as well

[GlenW]

And what sentence would the assembled congregation like to pass on this miscreant?

Psycho cannibal killer stabs lover to death then eats her brain, heart and lungs - Mirror Online

Bearing in mind this this is his 2nd offence.

Life in prison but with a parole hearing every year. Obviously no chance of getting parole, but it would be satisfying to build his hopes up and then dash them on a regular basis.

[GlenW]

If you crave an instant feeling of immense superiority just visit one of the pro DP forums in the US. I can't remember the url for any of them but there are some real rednecks on them who say the most ridiculous things.

I once read that the right to keep and bear arms is in an amendment to their Constitution and therefore is more important than any human life.

[FatLazyContractor]

The death penalty is uncivilised and barbaric whichever method is used. These two methods just seem more attractive to the mouth-breathing, knuckle-draggers who would have sat in the front row of the crowds at the guillotine during the French Revolution.

Yes. Blame it on the French, the bastards.

[GlenW]

BTW, what does the esteemed panel think about Death by beheading (Saudi style) and Death by firing squad (Indonesian style).

The death penalty is uncivilised and barbaric whichever method is used. These two methods just seem more attractive to the mouth-breathing, knuckle-draggers who would have sat in the front row of the crowds at the guillotine during the French Revolution.

[VectraMan]

That's kinda missing the point. If you lock them up you have to pay for them to be incarcerated. If you execute them you don't.

Is the point that we should have the death penalty for no other reason than to save money?

[FatLazyContractor]

BTW, what does the esteemed panel think about Death by beheading (Saudi style) and Death by firing squad (Indonesian style).

[SpontaneousOrder]

The judge says, as he dons his black cap, "You have done wrong, you have committed the worst crime, a crime so bad that your punishment must be severe, to kill someone is so bad, so awful, such an abominable crime that I am going to ... em ... em ... kill you."

I doubt any judge sas that. More like 'to kill an innocent...'.

[GlenW]

The judge says, as he dons his black cap, "You have done wrong, you have committed the worst crime, a crime so bad that your punishment must be severe, to kill someone is so bad, so awful, such an abominable crime that I am going to ... em ... em ... kill you."

[SpontaneousOrder]

Is there anything to suggest the death penalty in the US has reduced murders, or that the death penalty for drug smuggling in the far east has had any effect?

That's kinda missing the point. If you lock them up you have to pay for them to be incarcerated. If you execute them you don't.

Noone generally cares about DP as a deterrent anyway. It's punnishment/vengance/justice.