Reply to: Eins Reich, Eins Volk, Eins Fuhrer

[Dundeegeorge]

Schools don't generally make profits

and their customers aren't going anywhere else.

[oraclesmith]

However, the original point was about firms being able to dismiss someone who is incapable of working with their core values and diversity policies. By voluntarily joining the BNP or any other party or organisation which has a racist outlook, they are simply providing evidence of their inability to follow company policy. It would probably been overlooked had the people concerned kept their views private, but they made the error of standing in local elections which means they are promoting their views to the general public, which in turn means that they would be bringing their company into disrepute with some sections of the community.

Perfect example of liberal fascism.

Nope. It's about profits. Firms like nice neutral quiet people who get on with what they're supposed to do without annoying customers, causing outrage, getting themselves in the papers etc. Imagine.......

Newtown Echo - "Mr Fred Smith, BNP leader of Newtown Council and a driver for NewB Coaches said he would stand up for the persecuted minority of upstanding whites in Newtown.....blah blah".

I'd sack him. I'd have the same problem with anyone that attracted unwanted publicity to my company, because it's going to hit the bottom line.

[Dundeegeorge]

This post?

Either choose to join the pissant sell-us-down-the-river verminous (yes, Snaw, verminous) white=bad left-wing chattering f*ckheads, or join the BNP, or at a pinch join UKIP.
The first step, the really important step has to be leave the EU. Now. All the muppets who claim it'll take a long time (yes Dave Cameron, you know who you are) and cost us a fortune are lying to us. Just enact a law of Parliament to exit europe and voila, we're out.
Once we're out, shut the borders, throw out all the people who are here because of their EU status. They can apply to migrate into the UK, and perhaps we could have holdiing centres for them in, oh I don't know, Sangatte.
Anyone coming in illegally would be deported back to their country of origin, immediately, no appeals, no expensive lawyers, no tricksy disappearing into thin air. If they have no papers then we must assume they came from, oh I don't know Zimbabwe if they're white and France if they're black.

Ah I see. OK, I can see how you could read it that way, but it wasn't really an endorsement of the BNP rather than a rant at the left and their headlong rush into europe.
I shall endeavour to be more careful in future, but for the record I am not, nor have I ever been, nor would I ever be a member of the BNP (because they're probably full of idiots like all of the other parties and they're a bit left-wing for my liking).

[Rantor]

FROM BBC NEWS (A while ago)
Euro MP Robert Kilroy-Silk has launched his Veritas Party's manifesto with an attack on multi-culturalism imposed by "liberal fascists in London".
The idea that everybody should respect each other's culture was "nonsense", he said, adding that not all cultures were equal - some were "reprehensible".


I do realise that I will now be accused of being a Kilroy-Silk sympathiser by the left, but I liked the phrase 'liberal fascist'.

And Rantor, I'd be interested to see where I nailed my colours to the BNP mast, or is that just misdirection? Perhaps you'd care to provide a reference?

Well DG maybe I missed some of the subtle undertones in this post:

http://forums.contractoruk.com/threa...tml#post116205

[expat]

... and of course police should watch over if they cross the line.

that's another reason to keep them legal.

[Dundeegeorge]

And the Russian sprints over the line

with a sensible posting.
And in what way does standing as a councillor (of any ilk) affect one's ability to teach children mathematics?

[AtW]

"It suggests that schools and local authorities will in future be free to dismiss BNP activists if their presence directly contradicts the organisation’s ethos."

What this means is that BNP members can't work or head commission for racial equality and stuff like that, this is no different to oil company refusing to hire environmentalism who says oil drilling should stop - this raises big doubts over potential effect on work. This will should stand well on further appeals, but only because of contradiction to values, not specific party membership,racist or what not.

Other than that its obvious illegal to fire someone for affiliation with a legal party, which BNP is. I don't like or agree with BNP, but this witchhunt and histeria only helps them - the best would be just to ignore them and let them stew in their own juice, and of course police should watch over if they cross the line.

[Dundeegeorge]

Thanks Oracle

However, the original point was about firms being able to dismiss someone who is incapable of working with their core values and diversity policies. By voluntarily joining the BNP or any other party or organisation which has a racist outlook, they are simply providing evidence of their inability to follow company policy. It would probably been overlooked had the people concerned kept their views private, but they made the error of standing in local elections which means they are promoting their views to the general public, which in turn means that they would be bringing their company into disrepute with some sections of the community.

Perfect example of liberal fascism.

[oraclesmith]

I believe it is legal for a political party to exclude certain races, religions etc if that is their political belief. Just as members of a religious order would also insist on exclusivity.

However, the original point was about firms being able to dismiss someone who is incapable of working with their core values and diversity policies. By voluntarily joining the BNP or any other party or organisation which has a racist outlook, they are simply providing evidence of their inability to follow company policy. It would probably been overlooked had the people concerned kept their views private, but they made the error of standing in local elections which means they are promoting their views to the general public, which in turn means that they would be bringing their company into disrepute with some sections of the community.

The Health and Safety ruling is just a device - the underlying issue is that firms dealing with the general public do not want their customers to know they have racists working for them. Would you ? How would your clients react if you turned up for interview wearing a BNP badge ?

[Dundeegeorge]

Liberal fascists

FROM BBC NEWS (A while ago)
Euro MP Robert Kilroy-Silk has launched his Veritas Party's manifesto with an attack on multi-culturalism imposed by "liberal fascists in London".
The idea that everybody should respect each other's culture was "nonsense", he said, adding that not all cultures were equal - some were "reprehensible".


I do realise that I will now be accused of being a Kilroy-Silk sympathiser by the left, but I liked the phrase 'liberal fascist'.

And Rantor, I'd be interested to see where I nailed my colours to the BNP mast, or is that just misdirection? Perhaps you'd care to provide a reference?

[expat]

It seems not, we only have the liberal fascists on this board.
Ah democracy, a nice word, I wonder what it means............

I know what "democracy" means, but I am at a loss to understand the meaning of your reference to "liberal fascists".

[expat]

Expat, I don't know about the rules of the BNP but they must be a legal party or the (il)liberals would have closed them down long ago.

IANAL so I don't know whether they're legal or not. Racist I do know.

The mere fact that the government and legal system haven't closed something down is hardly a proof that it's OK.

In any case I personally wouldn't close them down for that, on the grounds that freedom of expression is more important. A concept that ironically they would have no use for.

[Dundeegeorge]

Hands up anybody who's with the BNP

Indeed. If you're with the BNP then you're either racist or deluded. If you're the first and trying to deny it, you're dishonest.

Or do you think we should believe that John Tyndall changed his spots?

Note to the curious: Tyndall founded the National Socialist Movement in the UK, then the National Front, then the BNP (modern version). He at least had the honest not to pretend not to be a nazi, that's why the BNP replaced him with Nick Griffin, who could pull the KKK Duke stunt of appearing nice.

It seems not, we only have the liberal fascists on this board.
Ah democracy, a nice word, I wonder what it means............

[expat]

Did you not nail your BNP pants to the mast a few weeks ago in some thread or other?

If you have, and you have met some of the 'activists', you would definitely know their views on race. Should your views coincide with theirs then your wee proof above might be an exercise in denial at best.

Indeed. If you're with the BNP then you're either racist or deluded. If you're the first and trying to deny it, you're dishonest.

Or do you think we should believe that John Tyndall changed his spots?

Note to the curious: Tyndall founded the National Socialist Movement in the UK, then the National Front, then the BNP (modern version). He at least had the honest not to pretend not to be a nazi, that's why the BNP replaced him with Nick Griffin, who could pull the KKK Duke stunt of appearing nice.

[Dundeegeorge]

Never nailed BNP pants to mast, as I don't have any

Did you not nail your BNP pants to the mast a few weeks ago in some thread or other?

If you have, and you have met some of the 'activists', you would definitely know their views on race. Should your views coincide with theirs then your wee proof above might be an exercise in denial at best.

Too many stupid people in the BNP I would imagine.
A bit like the Labour Party.
Or the Conservatives.
And the Lib Dems.
Or any party you'd care to mention.

Expat, I don't know about the rules of the BNP but they must be a legal party or the (il)liberals would have closed them down long ago.