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Previously on "Agent/Agency getting their come-uppance - a tale of greed?"
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Originally posted by MrMarkyMark View PostThat means everything coming from you
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Originally posted by LondonManc View PostHe's decent but he needs to work on his modesty.
HTHBIDI
Nothing wrong with a bit of strong sales patter
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Originally posted by dwater View PostAh, but what if you're not "any good" - I'm sure there are more than a few such people "out there" ...or, you *think* you are, but you're not really (relatively speaking - there are some excellent perm people too).
However, while they might look over your shoulder, perhaps it is just to ensure you're not on facebook or whatever (unless you're working for Facebook, perhaps).
In any case, I wouldn't expect it either, nor find it acceptable. I guess there might be a period of time where they are gaining your trust or something like that. Shrug.
HTHBIDI
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Originally posted by dwater View PostAh, but what if you're not "any good" - I'm sure there are more than a few such people "out there" ...or, you *think* you are, but you're not really (relatively speaking - there are some excellent perm people too).
However, while they might look over your shoulder, perhaps it is just to ensure you're not on facebook or whatever (unless you're working for Facebook, perhaps).
In any case, I wouldn't expect it either, nor find it acceptable. I guess there might be a period of time where they are gaining your trust or something like that. Shrug.
I know I'm good and all of my clients being large blue chips with mucho repeat business, over the last 14 years proves that.
I have also contracted at a principle level for the vendor I specialise in, a few years ago now, but they were billing me at a cool 2.5K per day.
Lets just say you would have to be very good to be even considered.
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Originally posted by MrMarkyMark View Post+1 Anyone that tries looking over my shoulder will get a poke in the eye .
If you are any good, you should always be miles ahead of the client, in any case.
However, while they might look over your shoulder, perhaps it is just to ensure you're not on facebook or whatever (unless you're working for Facebook, perhaps).
In any case, I wouldn't expect it either, nor find it acceptable. I guess there might be a period of time where they are gaining your trust or something like that. Shrug.
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Originally posted by kevpuk View PostCan't say I agree with these.....I would never expect a Client to be 'looking over my shoulder' or granting me 'an easier time', irrespective of rate charged! For me, I am a specialist in what I do, brought in with bespoke skillset to fulfil a specified work schedule - how I go about this, within reason, should not be pertinent; being 'closely monitored' is absolutely not acceptable; all gigs have a little ebb and flow in terms of varying timeline workloads, but.....MyCo provides a professional service in a business-to-business relationship. Simples.
If you are any good, you should always be miles ahead of the client, in any case.
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostDoesn't work like that I'm afraid.
Clients with small budgets so a lower rate tend to try and squeeze the last drop out of you.
There as clients with larger budgets are more relaxed and leave you alone as long as you are producing the results in a reasonable time frame.
I'm not saying it's acceptable or anything, or that *you* would put up with it, just that I could see it happening.
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Originally posted by dwater View PostIt strikes me that the client might well put you under more pressure too, if you're more expensive - watching over your shoulder and making sure you're always working, etc, etc. If you are costing something more reasonable, they might well be more relaxed and give you an easier time. If you drop your rate, and the client is paying more than your rate (ie agent increased their margins at your and the client's expense), then you might expect an easier time, but they are expecting more performance...."They're not paying me enough for this sort of pressure." might cross my mind (as it has done in perm jobs).
Of course, 'expensive' is relative.
Clients with small budgets so a lower rate tend to try and squeeze the last drop out of you.
There as clients with larger budgets are more relaxed and leave you alone as long as you are producing the results in a reasonable time frame.
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Originally posted by dwater View PostIt's confusing (at least to me) because you're mixing mathematics with english that uses the same symbols for punctuation. I suggest using 'minus' instead of '-'. I had to re-read your original post because I had assumed your daily rate was £50 (yes, I raised my eyebrows), or you meant *hourly* rate.
Just a thought
Max.
Originally posted by dwater View PostIt strikes me that the client might well put you under more pressure too, if you're more expensive - watching over your shoulder and making sure you're always working, etc, etc. If you are costing something more reasonable, they might well be more relaxed and give you an easier time. If you drop your rate, and the client is paying more than your rate (ie agent increased their margins at your and the client's expense), then you might expect an easier time, but they are expecting more performance...."They're not paying me enough for this sort of pressure." might cross my mind (as it has done in perm jobs).
Of course, 'expensive' is relative.
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Originally posted by jmo21 View PostFor you the contractor, it does affect you. You might be very expensive without knowing it (or rather, more expensive than you though) and this may affect your chances of being renewed.
Of course, 'expensive' is relative.
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Originally posted by kevpuk View PostAh, no......
Client is paying £x for the contract - rate I was put forward at turns out to be what client is paying - £50.
Just a thought
Max.
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Originally posted by missinggreenfields View Post<nluk>I hope you're not acting like a permie after that long with the same client. You'll give us all a bad name</nluk>
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Originally posted by kevpuk View PostJust because.......not that anyone will care......been with ClientCo now since Jan 2014, with major project finally due to complete at end of year. That will take me to 3yrs and that is a whole lot of £50/day that original Agent lost out on by playing silly bu$%ers!
#justsaying
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Just because.......not that anyone will care......been with ClientCo now since Jan 2014, with major project finally due to complete at end of year. That will take me to 3yrs and that is a whole lot of £50/day that original Agent lost out on by playing silly bu$%ers!
#justsaying
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