Bringing Hector Down From The Inside

[SneakySimon]

HMRC Contracting

I saw this article a few months ago, made me laugh, think the times or daily mail made quite a bit out of story (the pay as opposed to IR35)

[SimonMac]

Right. A gig at HMRC. That's like a girl scout going round to Paul Gadds house offering to do some cleaning.

Steer well clear.

Its ok, I'll pretend the contract works like the rep system so I'll just sign off the contract MF

[MarillionFan]

Just got off the phone about a gig at HMRC in Newcastle, all pretty standard except they mentioned a "project specific clearance", I advised them I am fully SC, in date and active but they said this is required.

Anyone got any info on what to expect? As so far things are "feeling iffy" as they seemed to spend more time on explaining the clearance side than the actual work.

Right. A gig at HMRC. That's like a girl scout going round to Paul Gadds house offering to do some cleaning.

Steer well clear.

[darrenb]

I guess this is one of the few occasions when you would actually ask HMRC to review your contract and proposed working conditions and give you an opinion regarding IR35. If they say it's IR35 caught then ask for a 40% increase to cover that.

HMRC should be investigated regarding its current use of contractors. If any of them are found to be under the supervision of HMRC personnel, then HMRC is IR35-caught and will have to pay itself a massive fine.

[lukemg]

I guess this is one of the few occasions when you would actually ask HMRC to review your contract and proposed working conditions and give you an opinion regarding IR35. If they say it's IR35 caught then ask for a 40% increase to cover that.

That's class ! Great shout...

[Wanderer]

Just got off the phone about a gig at HMRC in Newcastle

I guess this is one of the few occasions when you would actually ask HMRC to review your contract and proposed working conditions and give you an opinion regarding IR35. If they say it's IR35 caught then ask for a 40% increase to cover that.

[darrenb]

Hector - No your honour, he was just like any other employee. He used our computers, he ate in our canteen, he slept in our bogs, filled in the holiday spreadsheet and did what he was told. in fact your honour, I would go as far as to say, he licked the same chutney spoon as all of our employees

If HMRC doesn't approve of contractors, they should try running their systems without them and see how they get on.

[craig1]

Would you suggest cutting ones losses and going brolly for the duration of the contract or can I just pay myself the full whack as a salary through my Ltd

You could ask the manager if he wouldn't mind paying you by cash to help with accounting difficulties. Offer to split the VAT with him if he gives no-receipt cash.

[TestMangler]

Would you suggest cutting ones losses and going brolly for the duration of the contract?!

Absolutely not mate. I'm just teasing really.

I do seem to remember though, that there was a case a few years ago of a contractor working for EDS on an HMRC contract lost an IR35 case on client evidence from EDS. I'll need to see if I can find it.

Ask them at interview if they know what IR35 is ?

[SimonMac]

Would you suggest cutting ones losses and going brolly for the duration of the contract or can I just pay myself the full whack as a salary through my Ltd

[TestMangler]

If it gets that far I am certainly gonna make sure the contract is IR35 proof

Dear boy, it's the working practices, not the contract.

Simon Mac - Your honour, I was a completely autonomous contractor, working without the direction and control of the end client, with no obligation to accept or carry out work outside our contractual arrangements.

Hector - No your honour, he was just like any other employee. He used our computers, he ate in our canteen, he slept in our bogs, filled in the holiday spreadsheet and did what he was told. in fact your honour, I would go as far as to say, he licked the same chutney spoon as all of our employees

[SimonMac]

If it gets that far I am certainly gonna make sure the contract is IR35 proof

[TestMangler]

Just got off the phone about a gig at HMRC in Newcastle, all pretty standard except they mentioned a "project specific clearance", I advised them I am fully SC, in date and active but they said this is required.

Anyone got any info on what to expect? As so far things are "feeling iffy" as they seemed to spend more time on explaining the clearance side than the actual work.

Don't fall for this obvious double bluff.

They will get you in, IR35 investigate you and then present their own 'client evidence' to the tribunal. And then you'll beef hooked.

[SimonMac]

Just got off the phone about a gig at HMRC in Newcastle, all pretty standard except they mentioned a "project specific clearance", I advised them I am fully SC, in date and active but they said this is required.

Anyone got any info on what to expect? As so far things are "feeling iffy" as they seemed to spend more time on explaining the clearance side than the actual work.