All inclusive rates daily rates

[xchaotic]

Seems easy enough to me.

Just find out the cost of getting to the site.

Divide by 5 and add to daily rate?

I would probably throw in something extra, just to make it worthwhile for me?
Especially include in the cost the time you will spend getting there at your overtime rate.
In general if I was offered two roles and the one with travel was slightly more money I'd still take the no travel one, but that is just me....

[rd409]

Just let them know that your invoiced time starts from the moment you step on site. Then include the time taken to drive the 200 miles and add those hours to your timesheet. I am sure it would cost more than claiming for just expenses.

[psychocandy]

Set expectations early and in the contract or you may find yourself in a dodgy position.

In the early 2000s I did an international bit of work where it was one week out of four abroad and the daily rate was increased by £50 a day to compensate while making invoicing handling easier for them. I was happy as this was essentially £200 extra per day abroad when calculated over a four week period. Within two months though they expected me to be abroad far more with expectations I'd be abroad 2-3 weeks out of a month with more closer to delivery yet they got very difficult when I raised the rate again, they rightly pointed to the contract that said clearly that the rate was inclusive of international travel but had no expectations set about ratios of UK office to international work. Taught me a valuable lesson about negotiating rates and terms!

Make it simple for them by doing all-inclusive rates if that's what they want but make sure the conditions of that rate are documented and agreed as part of the contract.

Yeh. I see your point. They've provided me with the job spec that says ON AVERAGE I'll be at this customer site 1 day per week.

I'm guessing if they start taking the p*ss then this wont mean anything if I dont have it in the contract?

To be honest, I'm considering just hiking my rate a little to take account of 1-2 days per week and seeing how it goes. I dont think they'll take the p*ss because I know some of the guys from years back.

Its a contract thats likely to last 9 months in 3 months chunks so if after 3 months I find the travelling is more I'll ask for a rate increase. To be honest, if I get this contract, and do 3 months there, theres no way in a million years they're going to get a replacement anyway if I refuse to extend. (Its a fairly niche skill, the rate isnt stupendous, and its in Wales).

[psychocandy]

Seems easy enough to me.

Just find out the cost of getting to the site.

Divide by 5 and add to daily rate?

LOL. Fair point.

[craig1]

Set expectations early and in the contract or you may find yourself in a dodgy position.

In the early 2000s I did an international bit of work where it was one week out of four abroad and the daily rate was increased by £50 a day to compensate while making invoicing handling easier for them. I was happy as this was essentially £200 extra per day abroad when calculated over a four week period. Within two months though they expected me to be abroad far more with expectations I'd be abroad 2-3 weeks out of a month with more closer to delivery yet they got very difficult when I raised the rate again, they rightly pointed to the contract that said clearly that the rate was inclusive of international travel but had no expectations set about ratios of UK office to international work. Taught me a valuable lesson about negotiating rates and terms!

Make it simple for them by doing all-inclusive rates if that's what they want but make sure the conditions of that rate are documented and agreed as part of the contract.

[Wanderer]

Just find out the cost of getting to the site. Divide by 5 and add to daily rate?

WHS. I don't see the need to make a fuss and create a whole load of extra paperwork to claim it back as an expense from the client. Bung a bit extra on the rate and job's a good 'un.

[Sockpuppet]

Seems easy enough to me.

Just find out the cost of getting to the site.

Divide by 5 and add to daily rate?

[thunderlizard]

That seems fair enough. As long as you (a) define "all" and (b) set your rate accordingly.

[psychocandy]

Trouble is this is a BIG company who employ lots of contractors and this is the way they ALWAYS pay.

And I'm assuming that getting paid a daily rate and not being paid to go to site makes things look better for IR35?

[psychocandy]

It can be normal.

It depends on what you agree.

You can demand a higher daily rate when you are away on the customer site. That way the client will be careful about sending you there more than once a week.

It it's via an agency there is nothing stopping you from pointing out to the agency they get more money too.

Trouble is this is a BIG company who employ lots of contractors and this is the way they ALWAYS pay.

[SueEllen]

Having been out of contracting for 10 years or so this is a new one on me.

Going for an interview for a client and job spec says that approx one day a week is spent on their customer site 200 miles away. Apparently, all inclusive rate means I dont get expenses for driving there.

Is this normal?

I guess as long as my rate reflects the extra cost then fair enough but it could get expensive if it ends up being more than one a week.

It can be normal.

It depends on what you agree.

You can demand a higher daily rate when you are away on the customer site. That way the client will be careful about sending you there more than once a week.

It it's via an agency there is nothing stopping you from pointing out to the agency they get more money too.

[downsouth]

i'd be pushing back on that, any work undertaken on behalf of the client at other sites is fully chargable at an agreed rate in my book.

Also ask about payment for the extra hours taken to get there in the first place

[psychocandy]

Having been out of contracting for 10 years or so this is a new one on me.

Going for an interview for a client and job spec says that approx one day a week is spent on their customer site 200 miles away. Apparently, all inclusive rate means I dont get expenses for driving there.

Is this normal?

I guess as long as my rate reflects the extra cost then fair enough but it could get expensive if it ends up being more than one a week.