Reply to: contracting gravy train only temporary until india takes over

[mobi]

Either change your perception or you will be lost into oblivion in no time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMcfrLYDm2U

Few weeks back there was a show in BBC "The day migrants left". In a nutshell, it concluded

* UK economy will collapse without migrants (be it East Europeans or Asians)
* Most employers think Britons are least preferable for most jobs because they are plain inefficient

Offshoring is inevitable. Only job security is your own ability. Days or lucrative contracting job is over. There will always be a few good ones but for that one need to rise on value chain.

[realityhack]

Very colonial, MF.

Do you have servers on the brain at the mo?

[MarillionFan]

Quite a strange post there EUK.

[1] Really? Is that a fact? Where have you been living?
[2] Isn't that why we have whole onshore/embedded project teams? To come up with accurate reqs?
[3] Now there's a possibility.
[4] I'm sure, if anything like that happens, it'll be more bark than bite.

Funny undertone to all that <whisper> You wouldn't happen to be one of them there racialists, would you? </whisper>

I think EUK is correct. I think he'd mentioned where he'd been working

1992 - 2001 - French Socialist Party
2001 - 2004 - BNP
2004 - 2007 - UKIP
2007 - Present - Tory Headquarters

Remember, just because those foreign fellas server you teas and coffees, doesn't mean you actually work with them

HTH

[lukemg]

Agreed, this is brilliant work ! I used to think it would all come back eventually, forget that, the costs are prohibitive and all the expertise it has taken years to build up has gone for most places. The real reason though is that the quality will improve, there is no doubt about this. They said quality manufacturing wouldn't go for the same reason, now the quality is a match or better. For many companies IT is not core to the business and exists as a large non-revenue generating cost. hardware and software dev costs will continue to fall and will become more reliable reducing the support and maintenance required. There will be niche operators and a fair number of people still needed on-shore but expecting the sea to change direction is very naive.

[realityhack]

Well personally, I know for a fact no one from India or in India will ever do my job. Firstly because [1] most private companies are quite racist, I have never in my life worked with a single black person, and only one asian for 6 months. Im not joking and this is over 18 years, and I live in the north where there are loads of them. No doubt its different in the public sector.

Secondly, [2] someone in another country will never understand a business to the level I do to be able to write systems for them.

[3] In the coming depression (the one that starts after the election) [4] it will become so unpopular to outsource jobs abroad that any company that does will lose masses of business.

Quite a strange post there EUK.

[1] Really? Is that a fact? Where have you been living?
[2] Isn't that why we have whole onshore/embedded project teams? To come up with accurate reqs?
[3] Now there's a possibility.
[4] I'm sure, if anything like that happens, it'll be more bark than bite.

Funny undertone to all that <whisper> You wouldn't happen to be one of them there racialists, would you? </whisper>

[nomadd]

[QUOTE=AngelOfTheNorth;1120671][QUOTE=zara_backdog;1120606]

Firstly because most private companies are quite racist, I have never in my life worked with a single black person, and only one asian for 6 months. Im not joking and this is over 18 years, and I live in the north where there are loads of them.

If this isnt a deliberate wind up then this is one of the funniest things Ive read on here.

Or maybe when he said he worked "up North" he actually meant The North Pole?

[AngelOfTheNorth]

[QUOTE=zara_backdog;1120606][QUOTE=escapeUK;1120530] Firstly because most private companies are quite racist, I have never in my life worked with a single black person, and only one asian for 6 months. Im not joking and this is over 18 years, and I live in the north where there are loads of them.

If this isnt a deliberate wind up then this is one of the funniest things Ive read on here.

[weemster]

Been there with most companies who were going down the offshoring route and guess what it always came back. It will happen in certain industries but slowly and by then the people doing the work will realise they are getting and change the rates .

That said I am leaving the country

[weemster]

Been there with most companies who were going down the offshoring route and guess what it always came back. It will happen in certain industries but slowly and by then the people doing the work will realise they are getting and change the rates .

[zara_backdog]

[QUOTE=escapeUK;1120530]Well personally, I know for a fact no one from India or in India will ever do my job. Firstly because most private companies are quite racist, I have never in my life worked with a single black person, and only one asian for 6 months. Im not joking and this is over 18 years, and I live in the north where there are loads of them. No doubt its different in the public sector.

Secondly, someone in another country will never understand a business to the level I do to be able to write systems for them.

QUOTE]

You stuck in some sort of timewarp?

[nodric]

For what it’s worth, I’ll add some words to the thread.

I am currently working for a major bank in Europe, who have decided to offshore all their design, build (development), and testing to India. This will take 2-3 years, and will cost some 60 Million Euros, well that's their idealised budget. I've got news for them

During this time they will make extensive use of the contractors they already have, and ultimately have to hire some new ones, so plenty of work for now

I can tell you now from the way they are approaching the offshoring process, it will be a train wreck. It will take a couple of years for the wreck to occur, followed by another two years to repair all the damage, by which time someone who will have replaced the current CIO responsible (as he will be blamed), will then spend another 2-3 years onshoring it all again.

Why will it fail? Because they’re going into this as a ‘black box’ approach, trusting the ‘big name consultancy’ to expertly manage it offsite

They don’t want to invest in an internal offshore management team as their teams are too busy delivering other projects to be reassigned, nor do they want to be involved in close follow up and monitoring of the teams in India, as they think this exposes them to being held accountable if something goes wrong

Think I’m wrong about this being a flawed approach, then just Google how to manage an offshore outsourcing project.

Did I mention they’re going to offshore all the banks core systems!

Don’t worry, there’ll be work for us for a while to come yet. Yes you’ll have to move companies constantly, but that’s contracting anyway. In the end it will come full circle, and they’ll always need some local experts to mitigate risk.

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[HairyArsedBloke]

Back when HAB was a young shaver being the recipient of business mentoring and all that stuff that was big in the 80’s I had a mentor who came out with a line that always stuck with me: “The best thing to do with anyone who makes themselves indispensable, or thinks themselves so, is to dispense with them immediately. Having them around is dangerous.”

[stek]

Well personally, I know for a fact no one from India or in India will ever do my job. Firstly because most private companies are quite racist, I have never in my life worked with a single black person, and only one asian for 6 months. Im not joking and this is over 18 years, and I live in the north where there are loads of them. No doubt its different in the public sector.

Secondly, someone in another country will never understand a business to the level I do to be able to write systems for them.

In the coming depression (the one that starts after the election) it will become so unpopular to outsource jobs abroad that any company that does will lose masses of business.

Oh dear, another "I'm too important to get the boot type..". I'd be more circumspect if I was you.

You must be living in a cocoon or for very small enterprises if you've never worked with significant numbers of Bobs. It doesn't matter if you are 'da man' or not - some Bob further up the scale will be making the decision via spreadsheet, nothing else.

[escapeUK]

Your kids will not have any IT jobs to do unless they emigrate to India.

What will they do?

Well personally, I know for a fact no one from India or in India will ever do my job. Firstly because most private companies are quite racist, I have never in my life worked with a single black person, and only one asian for 6 months. Im not joking and this is over 18 years, and I live in the north where there are loads of them. No doubt its different in the public sector.

Secondly, someone in another country will never understand a business to the level I do to be able to write systems for them.

In the coming depression (the one that starts after the election) it will become so unpopular to outsource jobs abroad that any company that does will lose masses of business.

[gingerjedi]

stop voting for the same old politicians who allow companies to rip us all off and export our jobs abroad

It doesn't mater who's in power, do you think Global Corp recognises borders? There is feck all we can do, tulip isn't it.