Reply to: BA Diplomas

[Lucifer Box]

Thank you, Slave. As always you are the steady voice of reason around which the the board revolves.

Be-Positive, there's no point in banging on about it, that just ruffles feathers even more. For whatever reason, your initial reponses were out of order and that got peoples' back up. The fact that your threads were deleted seems to indicate the board moderators also found something objectionable in them.

In summary, you are offering a product that is of very limited or no interest to the majority of BA contractors, who primarily sell their experience. Clients recruting contract BAs go through this decision tree:

a) Has the BA worked on a project exactly like this one before?
No - CV in bin
Yes - Go to b)

b) Was the project delivered on time and to budget?
No - CV in bin
Yes - shortlist for interview

Paper qualifications are never considered because there is no standard qualification for BAs. You are orders of magnitude more likely to be asked for Prince2 certification than for a BA Diploma. At the end of the day, time is money and no contractor is going to spend time and money on something nobody is asking for.

This sort of offering is more appropriate for the permie world where the PM can send off one of his BAs at company expense on a training course in order to give the BA some sort of feeling that the company is investing in his future.

[WageSlave]

Be-Positive, your post is unfair. For the record, Lucifer is one of the most helpful and constructive members of this forum. It's not a case that members of this forum have fragile egos; this board has plenty of p1ss taking and it's all part of the delicate charm. What ruffled a few feathers is simply the way you went about it.

I made a point. Maybe my point was right and maybe it was wrong, but it wasn't a criticism of your site or your services. I don't know what prompted your original reply but that then set the tone. I remember you posted a similar question on the old board and I asked you a few questions; certainly no attacks there.

For what it's worth, your intention is an interesting one. There is certainly a hole in the market in terms of a comprehensive training package for BAs. I can go to any bookshop and find a dozen books on how to be a project manager, but nothing similar for a BA. The problem you face is one of demand. If a client isn't demanding a particular certification then very few people will be willing to spend money on it. Why do so many people go for Prince 2 cert? Simply because the client expects it. I have never been asked to produce a BA certification. Maybe it's a chicken and egg situation...

[Lucifer Box]

Be-Positive. You've got to get the hang of it. If you think Lucifer is a c unt, then tell him. We do.

Lucifer you're a c unt.

See easy.

Damn you, MF, you're as cunning as a fox. I've just consulted my solicitor over your insightful comment and he says you can't bring a claim for libel if the allegedly libelous remark is true.

[MarillionFan]

Be-Positive. You've got to get the hang of it. If you think Lucifer is a c unt, then tell him. We do.

Lucifer you're a c unt.

See easy.

[Be-positive.co.uk]

I have actually contacted and received details about advertising. Thanks.Considering it.To be honest given the attitude of some(not all) then it would be a waste of money.

Not sure my original post was advertising.It was asking for feedback on a concept that doesnt exist at present.

I also posted a thread re a vacancy i had for BAs/Pms with Eracent/Asset management tool implementations but that was pulled too.

Hindsight is 20/20.If i knew then what i knew now i'd never have pmd you LB. I'd have picked someone else.It's clear that you have nothing constructive to say.

why dont you post the pm i sent you and let others decide whether it's spam?Assuming they are bothered.

Then again that would spoil your attention seeking threads like this one......sorry have i breached the social code again?

[Lucifer Box]

Exactly, unlike Lucifers posts on these boards which are tantamount to unsolicited spamming. Oh!

Guilty as charged, m'lud.

[MarillionFan]

Exactly, unlike Lucifers posts on these boards which are tantamount to unsolicited spamming. Oh!

[Lucifer Box]

Be-positive, if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck. You sent me an unsolicited mail asking me to check out your website which turned out to be a sales site. No matter how much you fancy it up, that's spamming.

[MarillionFan]

I'll tell you why your advertisement(oh sorry thread) was pulled. It is because it breaks the rules of the board on advertising.

If you're serious ask James & Bryan the board owners if you can advertise on it.

[Be-positive.co.uk]

Fair enough

Be-positive, I have a very simple issue with you; your attitude. You make no contribution to the CUK community and only appear to sell your services. There are other members of this forum who promote themselves, but the major difference is that they contribute to the general conversations and become well known - most of us don't mind that.

You asked a question and I responded by raising a general issue. You then started insulting me for no good reason and didn't offer an apology. I take exception to that. You have managed to p1ss off both Lucifer Box and me, and we are two of least belligerent members of this forum, so congratulations on that success!

Btw, LB is a top bloke and if he claims you spammed him then that's good enough for me.

I welcome healthy debate on this forum, but that is not what you did. What you did is called flaming.

That's fine WS you are entitled to your opinion.


LB is free to post what i sent him it wasnt spamming.It was asking his opinion.

To be honest there are a lot of guys on here who have a lot of good experience and advice.That is shown by the pms and e-mails i've had. However there are a lot of small minded and sensitive people as well. Dodgy Agent makes a good point on one of the other threads about the "self starter" mentality.

I can say this from being a member of the board for two years and a frequent visitor if not poster and also by the fact that this thread has sprung up.

Thanks to those who offered constructive, measured, business like feedback.

[WageSlave]

Interesting that two of the individuals who added the least and in the case of LB, completely fabricated some allegations of "spamming", seem to be having a conversation with themselves

Be-positive, I have a very simple issue with you; your attitude. You make no contribution to the CUK community and only appear to sell your services. There are other members of this forum who promote themselves, but the major difference is that they contribute to the general conversations and become well known - most of us don't mind that.

You asked a question and I responded by raising a general issue. You then started insulting me for no good reason and didn't offer an apology. I take exception to that. You have managed to p1ss off both Lucifer Box and me, and we are two of least belligerent members of this forum, so congratulations on that success!

Btw, LB is a top bloke and if he claims you spammed him then that's good enough for me.

I welcome healthy debate on this forum, but that is not what you did. What you did is called flaming.

[Lucifer Box]

Ah, those good old positive feedback loops. Made him dizzy I imagine.

[Lucifer Box]

Maybe someone complained about his attitude

Surely not!

[Lucifer Box]

I think I saw him on the PCG forums as well. Did you not buy one?

Yes, I did - I got a few as Christmas presents to be sure I avoided the disappointment of not getting one in a cracker. I had to wire the money via Western Union to a rural post office in Bulgaria and I was wondering when they would arrive.

[WageSlave]

What happened to that guy selling BA diplomas? His threads seem to have vanished.

Maybe someone complained about his attitude