Reply to: Concurrent Employment and Contract Role

[perplexed]

Consultancies with accountancy arms often have a huge amount of ethics and similar compliance rules, so this may be part of that.

Having rules and abiding by them is one thing

Once worked in a gig where consultancy requested desks next to the kitchen area, which they were stupidly given. Said consultancy were how shall I put it, very adept at overhearing conversations and using information to their advantage.

[Old Greg]

Actually I've seen this quite often with consultancy companies in particular, probably wanting to ensure that you don't compete in any way and/or you don't have anything to distract you from all the unpaid overtime you'll be expected to put in for "business development" and "supporting the team"...

Consultancies with accountancy arms often have a huge amount of ethics and similar compliance rules, so this may be part of that.

[LondonManc]

I was forced to shutdown the limited and sign a bit of paper giving over all IP on anything techie whilst in employment.

Standard employment practice - anything I create when at work is theirs. Same for contracting, though, from my experience.

[DimPrawn]

Very odd. When I went perm, there was a clause in my employment contract about not taking other work on, which is understandable. I just told them I would set my company dormant and not trade while under their employ.

I was forced to shutdown the limited and sign a bit of paper giving over all IP on anything techie whilst in employment.

[LondonManc]

Nope, no external business, or limited or any kind of company directorship. Basically they own ever fibre of my being, every thought and every action.

Very odd. When I went perm, there was a clause in my employment contract about not taking other work on, which is understandable. I just told them I would set my company dormant and not trade while under their employ.

[CatOnMat]

who are you working for. Nazis ?

Actually I've seen this quite often with consultancy companies in particular, probably wanting to ensure that you don't compete in any way and/or you don't have anything to distract you from all the unpaid overtime you'll be expected to put in for "business development" and "supporting the team"...

[Andy2]

When I took my permie role, my employment contract specifically stated I was not allowed to be a controlling director in any other company and they even wanted to see proof my IT contracting company had been dissolved within 6 months of starting.

Your mileage might vary, but seems like they had been stung in the past with people moonlighting / side hussle

who are you working for. Nazis ?

[northernladyuk]

This does seem suppressive. How generic were the terms, e.g. could you still keep your Ltd. for selling used underwear going, or was it a blanket ban on directorships?

That was precisely what they were looking to put a stop to. That kind of thing is reputational dynamite for a contract cleaning company, even in Swindon.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

I've had quite a few permie jobs where they specifically forbade any kind of paid work that wasn't for them - the more enlightened versions demanded to be informed of any such arrangement and reserve the right to withhold permission.

As above, I'd probably just keep quiet about it.

[jamesbrown]

For info, the permie client does not impose any restrictions outside of normal working hours as per their contract.

Sounds unlikely.

But, if true, then I think you answered your own question. Otherwise, what is your question, precisely?

[DimPrawn]

This does seem suppressive. How generic were the terms, e.g. could you still keep your Ltd. for selling used underwear going, or was it a blanket ban on directorships?

Nope, no external business, or limited or any kind of company directorship. Basically they own ever fibre of my being, every thought and every action.

[TheGreenBastard]

When I took my permie role, my employment contract specifically stated I was not allowed to be a controlling director in any other company and they even wanted to see proof my IT contracting company had been dissolved within 6 months of starting.

Your mileage might vary, but seems like they had been stung in the past with people moonlighting / side hussle

This does seem suppressive. How generic were the terms, e.g. could you still keep your Ltd. for selling used underwear going, or was it a blanket ban on directorships?

[jayn200]

When I took my permie role, my employment contract specifically stated I was not allowed to be a controlling director in any other company and they even wanted to see proof my IT contracting company had been dissolved within 6 months of starting.

Your mileage might vary, but seems like they had been stung in the past with people moonlighting / side hussle

I hate clauses like that. Another reason not to go permie. They want you to need them to keep full control over you and want to keep you desperate to work, it's such an exploitive relationship.

[DimPrawn]

When I took my permie role, my employment contract specifically stated I was not allowed to be a controlling director in any other company and they even wanted to see proof my IT contracting company had been dissolved within 6 months of starting.

Your mileage might vary, but seems like they had been stung in the past with people moonlighting / side hussle

[GhostofTarbera]

We all know you will work on new contracts in full-time client time

Some advice

Don’t tell permie client about this arrangement it will raise eyebrows as

Fill your boots


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