Reply to: Europe in 2020

[meridian]

Ok so it seems like every other country in the world has borders - so i guess now the UK is no different?

They manage though yes?

Yes, they manage, but on the whole they have very different circumstances. The point of this part of the thread is that the UK is deliberately not setting a border, so the UK will be different to every other country.

(Here is where you chip in and say that borders are man-made and whatever man creates, man can fix)

We would be better off looking at it in different ways. Personally, I would treat the island of Ireland as a special case. It has phytosanitary borders (the Irish Sea) and NI could be treated as a separate economic unit. If we were to Brexit then this would be my preferred solution, but the DUP says No.

[Old Greg]

Ok so it seems like every other country in the world has borders - so i guess now the UK is no different?

They manage though yes?

1 So how do you intend to manage the number of border crossings in Ireland? There are more than there are between USA and Canada and along the entire EU eastern border, combined.

2 What do you think the disruption will be if a new customs / phytosanitary etc. border is established where there is currently none?

3 What message do you think it sends the world when the UK is in breach of its GFA treaty commitments?

[original PM]

Category:Transit and customs posts along the India–Nepal border - Wikipedia





You clearly haven't been to either. Imports between the two are checked at customs points. People are checked. Visas are required - they are automatically granted, but still a technical requirement. There are no open borders.

Ok so it seems like every other country in the world has borders - so i guess now the UK is no different?

They manage though yes?

[meridian]

India, Bhutan, Nepal

Category:Transit and customs posts along the India–Nepal border - Wikipedia

Australia, New Zealand

You clearly haven't been to either. Imports between the two are checked at customs points. People are checked. Visas are required - they are automatically granted, but still a technical requirement. There are no open borders.

[Bean]

Name one other country in the world that is not in "a" single market and customs union, that has an open border with it's neighbour.

India, Bhutan, Nepal

Australia, New Zealand

[original PM]

Name one other country in the world that is not in "a" single market and customs union, that has an open border with it's neighbour.

Ah yes of course - the no one else has done it so therefore we can't argument.

do you live in a house or a cave?

[meridian]

Then put up a border. Simples.

Exactly, glad you've come around. The UK will have to.

[GreenMirror]

Name one other country in the world that is not in "a" single market and customs union, that has an open border with it's neighbour.

Then put up a border. Simples.

[GreenMirror]

The open border is facilitated by the SM and CU which facilitates trade without tariff and non-tariff barriers. The UK wants to get rid of EU red tape. Why would the EU allow raw milk across the border with no paperwork or checks from NI into an EU country when the UK has gone its own way on regulation?

Then just erect a border. Make the UK pay for it. Simples.

[GreenMirror]

You can keep singing that until the cows come home but the fact is you are either in the EU or not in the EU. Sooner or later you've got to come to terms with what you did when you went in that polling station. Not what the EU did. It's what you did.

The UK will not be in the EU.

HTH

[Old Greg]

Name one other country in the world that is not in "a" single market and customs union, that has an open border with it's neighbour.

There must be some failed state somewhere. South Sudan or Somalia?

[meridian]

There can be an open border without SM and CU.

I would like to think the UK would stand up to the EU nonsense. Sadly no-one in UK government has a spine anymore.

Name one other country in the world that is not in "a" single market and customs union, that has an open border with it's neighbour.

[Old Greg]

You can keep singing that until the cows come home but the fact is you are either in the EU or not in the EU. Sooner or later you've got to come to terms with what you did when you went in that polling station. Not what the EU did. It's what you did.

Dear World

We are writing to advise that we are now open for business. We have recently freed ourselves from the shackles of the European Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and their associated free trade agreements. We would accordingly now like to enter into agreements with all like-minded countries. We are offering a 10% discount on your first order of jam, tea or biscuits.

Lots of love,

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

PS You may have heard that we just reneged on a treaty with our nearest neighbour, but don't let that put you off, as this was all somebody else's fault3. Those Perfidious Albion days are long behind us.

[Cirrus]

There can be an open border without SM and CU.

You can keep singing that until the cows come home but the fact is you are either in the EU or not in the EU. Sooner or later you've got to come to terms with what you did when you went in that polling station. Not what the EU did. It's what you did.

[Old Greg]

There can be an open border without SM and CU.

I would like to think the UK would stand up to the EU nonsense. Sadly no-one in UK government has a spine anymore.

The open border is facilitated by the SM and CU which facilitates trade without tariff and non-tariff barriers. The UK wants to get rid of EU red tape. Why would the EU allow raw milk across the border with no paperwork or checks from NI into an EU country when the UK has gone its own way on regulation?