Reply to: EU fish rights sees movement

[chopper]

EU are publishing its 'no deal' plans today, which hopefully cover the above so trade can continue in an emergency state until something better is agreed.

I'n fairly sure said unilateral action from the EU will be for what is in their interests, and not ours. e.g. helping the EU sell more food to us, not helping them buy more from us.

[Hobosapien]

They don't need to impose any tariffs at all. No Deal means no exports of fish, or of any animals or products of animal origin at all. And when a deal does materialise, our food manufacturing industry will be so decimated that it'll be a moot point - we'll be making less food, and importing more.

EU are publishing its 'no deal' plans today, which hopefully cover the above so trade can continue in an emergency state until something better is agreed.

Brexit: EU to reveal no-deal plans - BBC News

Note that the EU plans are time limited (likely only for remainder of 2019) and don't require UK approval to end them. May will be steaming that they have such gall when she can't get any similar movement on the backstop. Oh dear.

Meanwhile UK government plans to send out emails and leaflets.

[chopper]

That doesn't make sense. To protect their own fishing industry the EU will impose maximum tariffs possible on fish from the UK. There are more waters around the EU than just the UK you know.

That's not how it works.

The EU has 'MFN' tariffs for fish ('Most Favoured Nation' tariffs) which are the worst tariffs available (but it's a great name to confuse the Gammons with), which will apply to our exports to them, they can't have special tariffs just for us. As it happens, Mackerel (which comprises about 30% of what we catch) has an EU MFN tariff of 0%. Sardines have an MFN tariff of 23%.

But it's not the tariff barrier which is the problem, it is the issue of compliance with the EU's Sanitary and Phytosanitary import requirements, which we will not comply with on Brexit Day 1 (as we will no longer be a member state, therefore recognition of UK Veterinary processes will no longer exist). To get that recognition, we will need a "deal".

They don't need to impose any tariffs at all. No Deal means no exports of fish, or of any animals or products of animal origin at all. And when a deal does materialise, our food manufacturing industry will be so decimated that it'll be a moot point - we'll be making less food, and importing more.

[chopper]

Correction - we voted for foreign fishing boats to leave our waters. It remains to be seen whether that will actually happen though.

And for British fishing boats to leave foreign waters too.

The fishing industry in the UK employs about as many people as Harrods. I don't see the skilled engineers at JLR getting made redundant will be thinking "well at least I can catch fish". We actually export most of the fish we catch, and import most of the fish we eat. But once we leave the EU and the British compliance regime is no longer recognised by the EU, that means we cannot actually export food products to them. So, err, who are we going to sell all this fish to?

And is the plan to get rid of all quotas and make it an unsustainable free for all? Or will we simply have British quotas?

[Hobosapien]

That doesn't make sense. To protect their own fishing industry the EU will impose maximum tariffs possible on fish from the UK. There are more waters around the EU than just the UK you know.

Doesn't matter if there's no fish left in EU waters. UK government has secret plans to update the trident submarines to look like giant sharks to scare all the fish into UK waters then sink any French trawlers that dare come near. They're gonna need a bigger boat.

[Zigenare]

He hasn't got a clue what that even means

Something the pair of you have in common.

[Eirikur]

No, but the EU would have to be mad* to impose import tariffs on UK fish in a future trade deal, since their members are no longer able to help themselves to the fish in our waters.

*That doesn't mean they won't though...

That doesn't make sense. To protect their own fishing industry the EU will impose maximum tariffs possible on fish from the UK. There are more waters around the EU than just the UK you know.

[Old Greg]

No, but the EU would have to be mad* to impose import tariffs on UK fish in a future trade deal, since their members are no longer able to help themselves to the fish in our waters.

*That doesn't mean they won't though...

What about the non tariff barriers?

[Mordac]

Did you also vote for tariff and non tariff barriers for British fishermen trying to sell fish to the EU?

No, but the EU would have to be mad* to impose import tariffs on UK fish in a future trade deal, since their members are no longer able to help themselves to the fish in our waters.

*That doesn't mean they won't though...

[Old Greg]

He hasn't got a clue what that even means

It means a red white and blue Brexit.

[Eirikur]

Did you also vote for tariff and non tariff barriers for British fishermen trying to sell fish to the EU?

He hasn't got a clue what that even means

[Old Greg]

Correction - we voted for foreign fishing boats to leave our waters. It remains to be seen whether that will actually happen though.

Did you also vote for tariff and non tariff barriers for British fishermen trying to sell fish to the EU?

[BR14]

We voted for foreign fish to leave our waters

What's with this 'WE' krap, Joris?

[Mordac]

We voted for foreign fish to leave our waters

Correction - we voted for foreign fishing boats to leave our waters. It remains to be seen whether that will actually happen though.

[Eirikur]

We voted for foreign fish to leave our waters