No Trade Deal and the problems it will bring...

[Zigenare]

I remember that very "Prog 95"!

Oh what is is to be old.

[meridian]

You’re not reading what he wrote. He simply said that A50 says that all other treaties cease to apply.

One of those treaties is the one that relates to the Internal Market, under which the right to FoM applies.

You’re right that the UK can now decide who to let in and who not to. So what’s the current position then, for EU nationals in the UK? (And vice versa, UK nationals in the EU).

On the face of it, everyone is now a citizen of a “third country”. Visas are required. Companies that have employees without a valid visa are liable. Landlords are liable.

Is there a visa process in place? If not, what’s going to happen at the end of March 2019, in the event of no deal?

The Home Office answering my own question. Aaron A Aardvark will be alright, I guess.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/exclus...tically-2018-8

Theresa May's government is considering plans to register EU citizens who wish to stay in the UK after Brexit in alphabetical order, as it struggles to design a system which will cope with the millions of applications expected to flood in, multiple sources have told Business Insider.

Wonder where she got the idea from?

[meridian]

You're the one who's suggesting every non-British EU citizen in the UK should be locked up and/or be deported, because Article 50 says they will immediately be committing a criminal offence. Surely we get to decide who's an illegal, that's the point of not being in the EU anymore? All that guff about "our laws aren't really dictated by Brussels, it's all in your imagination" bollox has sort of gone by the wayside, hasn't it?

You’re not reading what he wrote. He simply said that A50 says that all other treaties cease to apply.

One of those treaties is the one that relates to the Internal Market, under which the right to FoM applies.

You’re right that the UK can now decide who to let in and who not to. So what’s the current position then, for EU nationals in the UK? (And vice versa, UK nationals in the EU).

On the face of it, everyone is now a citizen of a “third country”. Visas are required. Companies that have employees without a valid visa are liable. Landlords are liable.

Is there a visa process in place? If not, what’s going to happen at the end of March 2019, in the event of no deal?

[Mordac]

With that answer you're just proven that you're not, if that is the case for all Brexiteers, then nothing will save the 'UK

You're the one who's suggesting every non-British EU citizen in the UK should be locked up and/or be deported, because Article 50 says they will immediately be committing a criminal offence. Surely we get to decide who's an illegal, that's the point of not being in the EU anymore? All that guff about "our laws aren't really dictated by Brussels, it's all in your imagination" bollox has sort of gone by the wayside, hasn't it?

[darmstadt]

Article 50 is an EU statute. And we won't be in the EU, so we can ignore as much of it as we choose. But it's so much more fun to pretend you're a clever twat, isn't it...

With that answer you're just proven that you're not, if that is the case for all Brexiteers, then nothing will save the 'UK

[Mordac]

I honestly don't think that anyone in the government has actually read Article 50:

Bear in mind that Article 50 Para 3 clearly states "The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification." What does it mean?

It means that citizens from any of the EU-27 counties or any of the other 60 plus countries around the world where the UK currently enjoys travel and trade agreements will be illegal aliens in the UK at 11:01pm on Friday 29th March 2019.

In the UK this means that come the next working day these citizens will have no right to work in the UK.

It will be illegal for them to pay income tax, PAYE or National Insurance and it'll be illegal for HMRC to take payments from them.

The Home Office have made it illegal for landlords to rent property to illegal aliens with risk of thousands of pounds in fines for renting to illegal migrants... but then why would they when an EU citizen can't work here... how will they pay the rent?

Banks now have an obligation to freeze bank accounts of illegal immigrants and can't unfreeze until permission given by the Home Office.

As foreign nationals even the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) will be invalid for access to the NHS.

it be illegal for the Department of Work and Pensions to pay any benefits like working tax credits or child benefit and councils will be unable to pay housing benefit.

Companies employing the newly illegal will face fines of up to £10,000 per employee....

And much much more.

Article 50 is an EU statute. And we won't be in the EU, so we can ignore as much of it as we choose. But it's so much more fun to pretend you're a clever twat, isn't it...

[darmstadt]

The moment when people realise that currently we do not have to do what is on the link below for 87 destination countries around the world that take over 95% of our exports..... and then you realise that we will have to do this for EVERY COUNTRY in the world we export to and that anyone wanting to sell the UK anything will have to do the same at their end.

How much fun will this be folks?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exportin...outside-the-eu

[AtW]

So what, can’t see any downside for the Moggy, Clown Boris and Fatrage.

[darmstadt]

I honestly don't think that anyone in the government has actually read Article 50:

Bear in mind that Article 50 Para 3 clearly states "The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification." What does it mean?

It means that citizens from any of the EU-27 counties or any of the other 60 plus countries around the world where the UK currently enjoys travel and trade agreements will be illegal aliens in the UK at 11:01pm on Friday 29th March 2019.

In the UK this means that come the next working day these citizens will have no right to work in the UK.

It will be illegal for them to pay income tax, PAYE or National Insurance and it'll be illegal for HMRC to take payments from them.

The Home Office have made it illegal for landlords to rent property to illegal aliens with risk of thousands of pounds in fines for renting to illegal migrants... but then why would they when an EU citizen can't work here... how will they pay the rent?

Banks now have an obligation to freeze bank accounts of illegal immigrants and can't unfreeze until permission given by the Home Office.

As foreign nationals even the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) will be invalid for access to the NHS.

it be illegal for the Department of Work and Pensions to pay any benefits like working tax credits or child benefit and councils will be unable to pay housing benefit.

Companies employing the newly illegal will face fines of up to £10,000 per employee....

And much much more.

[AtW]

If, when Brexit date arrives, there is no trade deal in place, how will the UK import the nice new blues passports which are going to, purportedly, be printed in France?

Govt is stockpiling them to provide all Tory Scum with false identities which they will need after “Clean” Brexit

HTH

[Paddy]

If, when Brexit date arrives, there is no trade deal in place, how will the UK import the nice new blues passports which are going to, purportedly, be printed in France?

There will be no need to travel after Brexit. Seaside guest houses and Wimpy bars will be booming

[darmstadt]

If, when Brexit date arrives, there is no trade deal in place, how will the UK import the nice new blues passports which are going to, purportedly, be printed in France?