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Previously on "BN66 - lobbyng campaign funding"

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  • SantaClaus
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    Originally posted by travellingknob View Post
    Is it tax deductable ?
    It f*****g should be!

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  • travellingknob
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    Originally posted by SantaClaus View Post
    Excluding the AndyW option, that's £28,600 pledged so far.
    Is it tax deductable ?

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  • SantaClaus
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    Excluding the AndyW option, that's £28,600 pledged so far.

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  • DonkeyRhubarb
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    Originally posted by Guttersnipe View Post
    What are the next steps on this?

    Does anyone have parliamentary connections in order to find a lobbying firm? I may be able to help as neighbour used to be an MP.
    A bank account and a trusted account signatory need to be found.
    Watch this space...

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  • Guttersnipe
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    What are the next steps on this?

    Does anyone have parliamentary connections in order to find a lobbying firm? I may be able to help as neighbour used to be an MP.
    A bank account and a trusted account signatory need to be found.

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  • SantaClaus
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    Maybe my family and friends are more sympathetic, but whenever I have explained my situation, they cannot believe that the government could have treated us in a such a way and demanded taxes and interest retrospectively for such a long period of time.

    They are still under the impression that Britain is a "fair" country with a "fair" justice and political system and I have to explain to them that it is not the case.

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  • DonkeyRhubarb
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    Lobbying not PR

    Bear in mind, we are talking about lobbying to politicians, not a PR campaign to joe public.

    This is about legitimate expectation, the rule of law etc.

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  • Morlock
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    Originally posted by warlord View Post
    Its all down to our angle....and we need a bloody good one.
    I have explained my/our case to family and friends, most don't really understand, those that do think I am tax dodger....and well done HMRC.
    Heaven help us all!
    HMRC say I owe over 110K - but I have no means to pay.
    You might need to work on those explanations,
    Not a single person I have explained this to thinks it is right:
    "due to a change in the law which has retrospective effect, a historical tax charge arises where none previously existed"...
    ...then I mention the interest charges for "late" payment, and they become incredulous (think "Victor Meldrew").

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  • Ganimos
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    A THOUGHT

    Originally posted by Steven@Parasol View Post
    Just keep in mind that a decent lobbying company based in London will charge from about £7K to £10K a month and there are no guarantees when it comes to results. A lot of organisations spent a lot of money lobbying against IR35, AWR, etc and so on, and got nowhere.

    Lots of nice replies from MPs and smiley meetings yes, actual results no.

    The current media zeitgeist is also against you. You have high profile opposition MPs calling limited company PSCs tax dodgers etc and the Daily Mail and the sun (the two most read publications in this country) are lapping it up. The irony is the editor of both titles is probably doing it himself.

    Say for example an MP has one BN66 victim turn up to his surgery every week. He will probaly have ten people turning up complaining about the 'squeezed middle' and 'millionaire tax dodgers'. Even though the MPs know that it's not as black and white as that, they will sacrifice one vote for ten.

    The chancellor even used the phrase 'morally repugnat' when refering to tax evasion and aggressive tax avoidance yesterday and the definitions of both seem to have been blurred recently.

    I am not, by any means, trying to talk you out of anything or commenting on whether or not I think its a good idea or not. I'm sure none of you care. But do go into this fully aware of how these things work and be prepared for a lot of expense over a prolong period of time that may not generate any results.
    If the mountain was smooth you couldn't climb it !!

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  • warlord
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    Yes really

    Originally posted by Guttersnipe View Post
    Really? Most, if not all, of mine are aghast and quite a few talk about returning to Australia/NZ/SA/whichever fly-blown hellhole they used to call home.
    Most say how much did you earn and you paid how much tax did you pay - its no wonder HMRC are after you.
    THE KEY thing from our side is:- why did HMRC wait 7 years before doing something about it.
    Hell if HMRC had told me in 2005, that I would get a Retro TAX bill at PAYE terms for last years work. I would have left MP in 2005 ASAP. Then taken my chances with IR35.....
    We have to go down the HRMC and how Incompetence they are! The public don't give a stuff about us.

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  • IH8GordonB
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    Who do we lobby?

    The only way I can see that this will sway any MPs is if we actually target and lobby big businesses that the UK is not a safe place for them to organise their tax affairs. That may then get some attention from MPs.

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  • Toocan
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    Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
    I'm curious as to why people think this will work. MPs may make reassuring noises in letters and constituency surgeries but the tide in Westminster is firmly against 'artificial schemes' / 'aggressive tax avoidance' / call it what you will. I understand the retrospective nature of the legislation and the impact on people's lives, but do people really think that this argument will sway Parliament?

    So, those of you who would put money in. Do you think it really might work, or is worth an outside shot, or do you have nothing left to lose?
    It's not really about tax avoidance though, it's about HMRCs conduct and their excessive delay. They never mentioned s858 (padmore) in all the long years. And it didn't apply. They have behaved as robbers, and beyond what is acceptable. That is what it is about.

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  • Guttersnipe
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    Originally posted by warlord View Post
    Its all down to our angle....and we need a bloody good one.
    I have explained my/our case to family and friends, most don't really understand, those that do think I am tax dodger....and well done HMRC.
    Heaven help us all!
    HMRC say I owe over 110K - but I have no means to pay.
    Really? Most, if not all, of mine are aghast and quite a few talk about returning to Australia/NZ/SA/whichever fly-blown hellhole they used to call home.

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  • slogger
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    Originally posted by Emigre View Post
    To date we have hit MPs with letters, many the same, with a scatter gun approach. Have we been clear about what our objective is? Well other than that we want to pay less tax. What do we want the MPs to do for us? How do we achieve that? How do we convert all the "supportive words" into real action in Westminster?

    These are what a professional lobbying firm will do for us. There will be clear focus on where to go, who to see, and how to get through the door.

    Nothing is guaranteed unless we do nothing. In this instance I think we should fear the worst and hope for the best.

    I mean what is £200 when HMRC is claiming £100k plus from each of us? Some guys are offering to pay £2k or more. Collectively we can still achieve something, individually you can forget it.
    everyone I speak to who hasn't been directly hit by this has no sympathy - even friends who are solicitors say I was taking the p155 and basically deserve this - fortunately I can pay the muggers(hmrc). There seems to be more and more rhetoric directed at avoidance in a very negative sense - even by current government, I do feel quite negative about our prospects now (this may be a good thing as I was previously convinced we had no chance of losing prior to first hearings! hopefully I'm a good contraindicator!!)

    one thing that may be worth looking at now is how to safeguard assets - why havent mtm helped in this? for example is it possible to have a house owned 50/50 (rather than the default shared ownership) with spouse - does this stop ir taking house? other ideas..?

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  • Steven@Parasol
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    Just keep in mind that a decent lobbying company based in London will charge from about £7K to £10K a month and there are no guarantees when it comes to results. A lot of organisations spent a lot of money lobbying against IR35, AWR, etc and so on, and got nowhere.

    Lots of nice replies from MPs and smiley meetings yes, actual results no.

    The current media zeitgeist is also against you. You have high profile opposition MPs calling limited company PSCs tax dodgers etc and the Daily Mail and the sun (the two most read publications in this country) are lapping it up. The irony is the editor of both titles is probably doing it himself.

    Say for example an MP has one BN66 victim turn up to his surgery every week. He will probaly have ten people turning up complaining about the 'squeezed middle' and 'millionaire tax dodgers'. Even though the MPs know that it's not as black and white as that, they will sacrifice one vote for ten.

    The chancellor even used the phrase 'morally repugnat' when refering to tax evasion and aggressive tax avoidance yesterday and the definitions of both seem to have been blurred recently.

    I am not, by any means, trying to talk you out of anything or commenting on whether or not I think its a good idea or not. I'm sure none of you care. But do go into this fully aware of how these things work and be prepared for a lot of expense over a prolong period of time that may not generate any results.

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