Reply to: Online filing - IR incentives

Re: now lets get some wisdom from the PCG - not!

I find it interesting that people get banned for expressing their opinions in a reasonable manner. Maybe this forum is not as independent as I thought.

For the record SJD or whoever can charge what they like and as long as people are willing to pay then its good business for both.

A bit cheeky though and what I would call a stealth fee increase.

Re: now lets get some wisdom from the PCG - not!

On this and the PCG thread, you two are the only people who are getting in a flap over it.

Everyone else says something along the lines of "if you don't like it, don't pay"

If you do need a crusade to make your lives seem slightly more worthwhile, do try to pick on something more interesting.

Re: now lets get some wisdom from the PCG - not!

For any PCG members that may be interested - sorry non-members will not be able to view, so that will probably be me next year.....

www.pcg.org.uk/threads/sh...=1&v=c&s=5

Trying to help people to help themselves in the PCG, with some exceptions, always proves to be very hard but Fiddle is currently doing a sterling job - I have bottled out claiming temporary insanity

Re: im back!!! cant hold be back -

> recieved

Hey buckster - perhaps it's because you karnt spel.
Can't think of any other reason :rolleyes
It's rolling slowing in General too. Oh.. and PCG.. and FSB.. and if you know any other forums worth the effort let me know.

Wonder if you know of any other media too - done Private Eye and Working Lunch - no idea if either will be interested though.

im back!!! cant hold be back -

its buckstewerbuck under my new alias!!

back after my holiday and second ban....why?? I have asked the webmaster for an explanation but none was recieved (wasnt really expecting one) >: >:

Nice to see the thread still going strong!!

this will probably be my last post before im banned again!! cant be bothered to go through the registration process again...not unless someone pays me £125+ vat :rollin :rollin

Re: Re:Rates

Fiddle - you are being a little naive here.....

....that fairness has already been explained to both of us by different people......

' You lot are getting £825 from the government for doing nothing and it is only fair that we should get part of that too '

This is slightly simplistic though as the government are wasting taxpayers money here but who are the taxpayers in this instance ?

HTH

Re: Re:Rates

Bradley - there is another nice bit on that page you pointed us to ( www.icaew.co.uk/index.cfm?AUB=TB2I_30245,MNXI_30245 )

Fundamental Principle 1-"Integrity"
A member should behave with integrity in all professional and business relationships. Integrity implies not merely honesty but fair dealing and truthfulness. A member’s advice and work must be uncorrupted by self-interest and not be influenced by the interests of other parties.

Now the word fair has been somewhat corrupted by government over the last 8 years but even so I'm still at a loss to understand what is fair about this charge.

Re:Rates

What is the normal charge out rate for a qualified accountant.
As Fiddle implies, why would you get a qualified accountant to do something as mundane as filling in the FBI2 form? That's rhetorical by the way .

Re: What is the going rate?

... and another one for you too whlie you're at it Bradley..

do you know the normal charge out rate for the office junior who would clearly get this tedious unskilled work to do?

What is the going rate?

From ICAEW - www.icaew.co.uk/index.cfm...MNXI_30245 - re Fees

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Fee Quotations and Estimates
2.0 A member or member firm should, at the earliest opportunity, discuss and explain the basis on which fees will be calculated and, where practicable, the estimated initial fee. Fees should be determined by reference to:

- the seniority and professional expertise of the persons necessarily engaged on the work;
- the time expended by each;
- the degree of risk and responsibility which the work entails;
- the priority and importance of the work to the client;
- together with any expenses properly incurred.

The arrangements agreed should be confirmed in writing prior to the commencement of any engagement, normally in an engagement letter, including a confirmation of any estimate, quotation or other indication, and where the basis of future fees will differ from that of initial fees, the basis on which such fees will be rendered. Where there is no engagement letter the member or member firm should confirm the initial discussion in writing to the client as soon as practicable
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Bradley

What is the normal charge out rate for a qualified accountant.

Re: Re:Re:Fees

Well, you kind of missed the point of my previous posts.

I don't think there is very much about you or SJD accountancy that I have missed the point of Simon but if it makes you feel better.....

To spell it out for you, I don't need to justify our charges to you. You are not a client, nor is your friend fiddle.

That is true but dismiss us at your peril Fiddle & I are not exorcizable

Quote:

"it would appear that the majority of IT specialist accountants will do it from free"

Good luck to them. Your oft recommended accountant isn't one of them though is he?

That's very true but we exposed them for their bad judgement, not you. They do however charge £50 a month for a similar accountancy service to the one that you charge £80 a month for, so they did actually have alternative legitimate ways of getting money out of their clients

I shan't be posting to this thread any further. All clients have my direct email address, so am sure they will take it up directly with me if they choose

Your clients apparently received notification of this charge way back in October 2004 and not a one of them has mentioned the issue - I guess you deserve each other.

If I were you I would not have posted at all on this thread - it is impossible to fight a war without weapons.

I shall miss this thread without your input Simon just like our American cousins miss a turkey shoot.
Just be heartened to know that you will earn a large amount of money from online PAYE but every SJD client that Fiddle and I enlighten will cost you £125 + VAT.

Have a nice weekend

Re: Re:Re:Fees

Well it doesn't look like Simon from SJD is prepared to answer my oft repeated question about how he can justify charge £125 + VAT for online PAYE.........

..........it would appear that the majority of IT specialist accountants have answered it for him ie. they will do this online PAYE for free :rollin

Simon - are you related to Tony Blair by any chance ?

Re: Re:Re:Fees

> - the seniority and professional expertise of the persons necessarily engaged on the work;

and done by an office junior

Re: Re:Re:Fees

> I shan't be posting to this thread any further.

Nice to see that you know when it's best to stop digging.

BTW I didn't actually say that our accountant is charging - just that they said that they were considering charging. I have not yet given up the hope that they can be shamed into doing the honourable thing.

I fear though that like your good self those £ signs in front of their eyes will cloud their judgement. This is very big money after all - they want to charge me 2 months accountancy fees for a few minutes work which overall should actully save them time - in your case it's only just over one and half of course despite your charge being 25% higher.

Re: Re:Re:Fees

Well, you kind of missed the point of my previous posts.

To spell it out for you, I don't need to justify our charges to you. You are not a client, nor is your friend fiddle.

Quote:

"it would appear that the majority of IT specialist accountants will do it from free"

Good luck to them. Your oft recommended accountant isn't one of them though is he?

I shan't be posting to this thread any further. All clients have my direct email address, so am sure they will take it up directly with me if they choose.