Private sector EDM

[NeedTheSunshine]

So take them to court.

Easy to say it. Far harder if you're looking at £1m costs and seven years or so of appeals...

Organisations can't do it, they need a brave and determined person to get things started.

You don't actually need that big a group to join together to be able to fund this. Of course it will take 6 years or so - that's the nature of the beast. Or just accept it and move on.

[BrilloPad]

You don't actually need that big a group to join together to be able to fund this. Of course it will take 6 years or so - that's the nature of the beast. Or just accept it and move on.

You really do need a very large group. With very deep pockets. 6 years? Try tripling that!

[NeedTheSunshine]

You really do need a very large group. With very deep pockets. 6 years? Try tripling that!

You need around £1 million to go all the way. You need to allow 6 years for the average JR.

Given the number of contractors affected by this issue, you should be able to count on a minimum of 1000 in the group.

You need to get on with this soon. QC needs to be chosen, arguments picked, etc. This takes time. If you wait too long then the window of opportunity will be gone before you know it.

[BrilloPad]

You need around £1 million to go all the way. You need to allow 6 years for the average JR.

Given the number of contractors affected by this issue, you should be able to count on a minimum of 1000 in the group.

You need to get on with this soon. QC needs to be chosen, arguments picked, etc. This takes time. If you wait too long then the window of opportunity will be gone before you know it.

I am permanent. Why should I care?

[JohntheBike]

You need around £1 million to go all the way. You need to allow 6 years for the average JR.

Given the number of contractors affected by this issue, you should be able to count on a minimum of 1000 in the group.

You need to get on with this soon. QC needs to be chosen, arguments picked, etc. This takes time. If you wait too long then the window of opportunity will be gone before you know it.

I really don't think there is the will out there to go this far now. When IR35 was first challenged by a JR, the necessary funds were gathered in a very short time. But being cynical, the legal people should have been able to advise that there was no prospect of the JR being successful, which turned out to be the case.

[NeedTheSunshine]

I am permanent. Why should I care?

I don't care either. I have absolutely zero intention of joining any group doing anything about IR35. Because I got out of that game a while ago and I'm selfish. It's been clear for years that HMRC don't like contractors. It was inevitable that the public sector off payroll rules were going to be rolled out to the private sector. I don't think it could have been any clearer.

However, for those that do care, and anybody still contracting should care, then they were my thoughts.

[NeedTheSunshine]

I really don't think there is the will out there to go this far now. When IR35 was first challenged by a JR, the necessary funds were gathered in a very short time. But being cynical, the legal people should have been able to advise that there was no prospect of the JR being successful, which turned out to be the case.

It's a shame really. The only alternative is to accept it and move on. It's not going to go away. Way too much perceived lost money for the Treasury and contractors are low hanging fruit. Public sympathy won't be on the side of contractors either.

One of the problems is that contractors by nature don't tend to come together as a group - it's one of the attractions of contracting.

[wattaj]

One of the problems is that contractors by nature don't tend to come together as a group - it's one of the attractions of contracting.

Whatever happened to that trade association mob; you know, the one's that were campaigning for maternity pay and beard oil whilst the Government pissed on our chips?

[NeedTheSunshine]

Whatever happened to that trade association mob; you know, the one's that were campaigning for maternity pay and beard oil whilst the Government pissed on our chips?

Not sure which trade association you are referring to, but are they the ones that aren't on this https://www.hmrcloancharge.info/wp-c...ing_Sector.pdf ?

[BrilloPad]

Whatever happened to that trade association mob; you know, the one's that were campaigning for maternity pay and beard oil whilst the Government pissed on our chips?

Do you mean IPSE?

Well they did a great job with Arctic. Maybe, like QDOS, they will starting offering insurance to employers?