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    Originally posted by AtW View Post
    Yes really. Last 20 years should not be used as indication on what will happen in next 20.

    Even though I am sure multinationals will continue to dodge tax as much as they can, but they'll have to pay more than before - there is global consensus on this matter now.

    Granted it will take longer than one generation to see former tax barristers sweeping the floors, but one can live and hope.
    My view is that the above is hopelessly naïve.

    The multinationals will continue to pay an amount of tax that they choose and which suits their shareholders and whatever market sector they are targeting. They will continue to ignore the efforts of lowly paid Civil Servants to bring them to book because they know that they have purchased air cover in the form of politicians who will move to block anything too onerous.

    I served in the tax departments of a couple of major banks. We were more concerned with the internal effective rate of tax and its effect on share price rather than what was "fair" to pay. Do I think that has changed? No. My friends who still work there say it's the same.

    Tax is a covenant.

    Taxpayers pay and Governments spend.

    If all taxpayers paid a fair amount then that side of the equation would be fine. However taxpayers don't all pay a fair amount. Some, who can afford good advice and have influence pay what they like. In the face of such behaviour Government (who have broken their own side of the covenant so many times, it's hardly worth listing) picks on soft targets and is increasingly using the heavy hammer of retrospection to do so.

    If this Government is so concerned about the "right" amount of tax, why not go to EVERY UK based multinational, ask them for 10% of their global profits for the past 10 years, right now, and then spend 20 years arguing about whether they can claim some of that back?

    That is effectively what is happening with contractors.

    No illegal activity proven, no decided case of any significance, no legislation that nails the issue, but none the less pay now and argue later.

    If that is fair for contractors, why not be fair to multinationals in the same way?

    I'll leave you to make a guess why.

    In the meantime, unless you believe that the tax system should be tilted against contactors for reasons I've not seen in your posts, to maintain that contractors are being treated fairly is in denial of the facts.
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      Webinar..

      Change of subject but two things:
      1 - Has HMRC ever released the recording from that webinar back in March?
      2 - Wasn't there something planned for May and if so does anyone know when it is?

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        Originally posted by webberg View Post
        unless you believe that the tax system should be tilted against contactors for reasons I've not seen in your posts
        His "argument" was that "everybody hates evil aggressive tax avoiders anyway".
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          Originally posted by webberg View Post
          If that is fair for contractors, why not be fair to multinationals in the same way?
          Obviously that's because multinationals typically already big cash cow for the Govt - they provide jobs that are taxed, collect VAT, invest money, pay business rates, rent etc.

          It's the same difference as between Ltds and scheme users - the former might be not whiter than white, but 80% tax from ideal is taken anyway, but the latter totally tried to screw the system and paid 3-13% of tax due.

          Perhaps the right solution is to remove corporation tax completely and tax more dividends (which is happening in this country, sadly not offset by reductions in corp tax).

          Originally posted by webberg View Post
          In the meantime, unless you believe that the tax system should be tilted against contactors for reasons I've not seen in your posts, to maintain that contractors are being treated fairly is in denial of the facts.
          Fairness in this case is that the people who should have paid tax are forced to do so (with interest and fines for delays and costs they've caused), that's fair.
          Last edited by AtW; 17 May 2016, 14:39.

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            Originally posted by AtW View Post
            Fairness in this case is that the people who should have paid tax are forced to do so (with interest and fines for delays and costs they've caused), that's fair.
            What delays have they caused?

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              Originally posted by Dylan View Post
              What delays have they caused?
              Many years of litigation trying to prove their (obviously wrong) case.

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                Originally posted by AtW View Post

                Fairness in this case is that the people who should have paid tax are forced to do so (with interest and fines for delays and costs they've caused), that's fair.
                Based on no legal evidence, or law to date, that we should have !!! What a ridiculous statement
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                  Originally posted by AtW View Post
                  Many years of litigation trying to prove their (obviously wrong) case.
                  I think you will find, if you bothered to listen to the other side of the story, that it's HMRC / HMG who have caused the delays !
                  STRENGTH - "A river cuts through rock not because of its power, but its persistence"

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                    Originally posted by AtW View Post
                    Many years of litigation trying to prove their (obviously wrong) case.
                    Can you name one contractor scheme that has been in "litigation" for "many years"? Just one will do (but please spare us the "Boyle" nonsense).
                    Then we will examine who exactly caused or is causing the "delays".
                    Thanks.
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                      Originally posted by AtW View Post
                      Many years of litigation trying to prove their (obviously wrong) case.
                      99% of people have gone nowhere near litigation at this point though?

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