Murray Group (Rangers) tax case - decision today?

[DotasScandal]

You need deep pockets to take on HMRC.
Or lots of little pockets.
We've raised a fighting fund of £0.5M, from our members, to fight them.

That's the only tactic HMRC has. War of attrition based on their ability to stay solvent longer than any of us individually and the hope the individual will throw the towel as funds runs dry (easy to achieve when you are fighting your "enemy" with their own money!!!).
That's the very same cynical logic that is at the heart of the APN legislation.
To counter that I'm all for the "many little pockets" strategy

[BrilloPad]

To counter that I'm all for the "many little pockets" strategy

Getting contractors together is like herding cats! Which makes the achievement of DR, SC and the rest of the NTRT TAA committee really remarkable!

[energyonlineadmin]

We have to act collectively

I know it is hard for contractors to think collectively but we have to do so now in the light of these enquiries and the latest IR35 debacle that is due. I think there is no little doubt that we are looking at a national scandal here with more than a hint of corruption about it. The mad lefties who rave on about tax avoidance seem to have missed the point that this government has enacted retrospective legislation and having apparently got away with it have set a precedent. So what or who is next?? Maybe it will be them next time. The Big Group is a good option at this point and perhaps 3,000 letter all landing on the Prime Minister's desk on the same day might grab his attention. After all many people caught by this shambolic debacle entirely created by the incompetent crooks at HMRC are natural Tory voters aren't they? I would like to see a "group action" to "Instigate a formal complaint against HMRC’s conduct as well as an ombudsman enquiry." as mentioned on the NTRT website.

[Not Losing Any Sleep]

I know it is hard for contractors to think collectively but we have to do so now in the light of these enquiries and the latest IR35 debacle that is due. I think there is no little doubt that we are looking at a national scandal here with more than a hint of corruption about it. The mad lefties who rave on about tax avoidance seem to have missed the point that this government has enacted retrospective legislation and having apparently got away with it have set a precedent. So what or who is next?? Maybe it will be them next time. The Big Group is a good option at this point and perhaps 3,000 letter all landing on the Prime Minister's desk on the same day might grab his attention. After all many people caught by this shambolic debacle entirely created by the incompetent crooks at HMRC are natural Tory voters aren't they? I would like to see a "group action" to "Instigate a formal complaint against HMRC’s conduct as well as an ombudsman enquiry." as mentioned on the NTRT website.

A question for all the experts out there:

If Rangers didn't have "side letters", would the learned judges have reached a differrent conclusion?

[PeterF]

What's a 'side letter'? One of these??

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Or one of these?

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[DonkeyRhubarb]

The Big Group is a good option at this point and perhaps 3,000 letter all landing on the Prime Minister's desk on the same day might grab his attention. After all many people caught by this shambolic debacle entirely created by the incompetent crooks at HMRC are natural Tory voters aren't they? I would like to see a "group action" to "Instigate a formal complaint against HMRC’s conduct as well as an ombudsman enquiry." as mentioned on the NTRT website.

Learn from our experience. Don't waste your time, effort & money on any of that crap.

Get your wallets out and take the fight to HMRC in the courts.

[holymoly23m]

Sure. Because HMRC are so quick at going to court.
If anyone can tell me how you take HMRC to court, actually push them there Id like to see it. Instead they cherry pick cases, its preposterous. The average joe is unable to readily have his day in court.

[BrilloPad]

I know it is hard for contractors to think collectively but we have to do so now in the light of these enquiries and the latest IR35 debacle that is due. I think there is no little doubt that we are looking at a national scandal here with more than a hint of corruption about it. The mad lefties who rave on about tax avoidance seem to have missed the point that this government has enacted retrospective legislation and having apparently got away with it have set a precedent. So what or who is next?? Maybe it will be them next time. The Big Group is a good option at this point and perhaps 3,000 letter all landing on the Prime Minister's desk on the same day might grab his attention. After all many people caught by this shambolic debacle entirely created by the incompetent crooks at HMRC are natural Tory voters aren't they? I would like to see a "group action" to "Instigate a formal complaint against HMRC’s conduct as well as an ombudsman enquiry." as mentioned on the NTRT website.

Sorry but that is nonsense.

I told NTRT that approach would not work. No-one listened. It failed. Now NTRT are telling everyone not to go that route.

The only chance, as DR says, is cash to pay tax lawyers. So you need a large pocket or several small ones.

NTRT(TAA) raised a damn good pot. Will big group be able to do the same? If 3,000 put in £200 they would be up and going.

[DonkeyRhubarb]

Sure. Because HMRC are so quick at going to court.
If anyone can tell me how you take HMRC to court, actually push them there Id like to see it. Instead they cherry pick cases, its preposterous. The average joe is unable to readily have his day in court.

1) write to HMRC requesting Closure Notices (CNs) and tell them, if they do not issue them, you will go to the FTT and ask the tribunal to direct that CNs are issued

2) if HMRC issue CNs then appeal to HMRC and request postponement of payment
2a) then apply to the FTT to have the appeals of your CNs heard

3) if HMRC decline to issue CNs, apply to the FTT for a direction that CNs are issued

[AtW]

There is little left in the pot to cover their expenses, never mind a court case. HMRC have driven it to this stage, and only because they never won the case until now

HMRC would always appeal until the very top if necessary, they have unlimited resources for it.