Why bother with an EU referendum?

[DodgyAgent]

If UKIP have such a problem with these so-called ‘unelected bureaucrats’ then why don’t they complain about unelected civil servants, or those occupying the House of Lords seats that they demand? We should ask them how they would change the system to make it more democratic? They seem happy to take the EU cash, and line their pockets with it and yet not vote on important issues affecting people all over the EU.

Another stupid point. UKIP are not trying to alter the constitution or democratic system within the UK they are trying to unlock the UK from the EU. You are quite pathetic in trying to divert the argument to a point about the inconsistencies of the British democratic system.

I happen to believe that UKIPs taking of excessive amounts of cash from the EU is patently wrong. Whilst not quite hypocritical it makes you wonder how they would behave if they actually came to power or had to run anything. If they wanted to make a principled stand then they could do so by not screwing the EU for every penny they can get.

[darmstadt]

Another stupid point. UKIP are not trying to alter the constitution or democratic system within the UK they are trying to unlock the UK from the EU. You are quite pathetic in trying to divert the argument to a point about the inconsistencies of the British democratic system.

And how are they going to do that? I haven't seen anything stating how they're going to do it and the only way they can do it is by getting voted into the parliament of there own country

[darmstadt]

European countries with a slightly negative attitude to the EU in the World Cup: England, Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal
European countries with a more positive attitude to the EU in the World Cup: Germany, Belgium, France
Which ones are still in it?

[speling bee]

European countries with a slightly negative attitude to the EU in the World Cup: England, Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal
European countries with a more positive attitude to the EU in the World Cup: Germany, Belgium, France
Which ones are still in it?

WGAS

[darmstadt]

WGAS

Big business

[darmstadt]

[Zero Liability]

Well OK Buckingham Palace and the House of Lords are not democratic. But the commons is, and they are the ones with the real power.

A shame in some ways, as the HoL is in many ways a good counter-balance to the power of the HoC, as they are not dependent on vote-whoring. They've exhibited a lot more common sense on IR35, for instance, than the elected government which more or less shoo-shooed them away.

[BrilloPad]

A shame in some ways, as the HoL is in many ways a good counter-balance to the power of the HoC, as they are not dependent on vote-whoring. They've exhibited a lot more common sense on IR35, for instance, than the elected government which more or less shoo-shooed them away.

HoC is just there to do what uncivil sevants, and HMRC, tell them

[Mich the Tester]

HoC is just there to do what uncivil sevants, and HMRC, tell them

[KentPhilip]

I happen to believe that UKIPs taking of excessive amounts of cash from the EU is patently wrong. Whilst not quite hypocritical it makes you wonder how they would behave if they actually came to power or had to run anything. If they wanted to make a principled stand then they could do so by not screwing the EU for every penny they can get.

For UKIP, the EU is the enemy. Why is it wrong, from an integrity point of view, to plunder money and resources from your opponent?