Britain must say 'no' to eastern European workers, says Cameron

[darmstadt]

Teachers have a huge amount of influence with kids. If you think that they just stand there like lecturers delivering "courses" then maybe you should look back at your own childhood. Teachers for instance can paint positive and negative pictures on work, capitalism, socialism - anything they like. They may not have any say in the curriculum but they certainly have a say in how the curriculum is taught.

You're correct but due to the standards set down by successive governments this is how they have to teach. If they don't then they're sacked.

[DodgyAgent]

You're correct but due to the standards set down by successive governments this is how they have to teach. If they don't then they're sacked.

give me an example of a teacher being sacked

[darmstadt]

give me an example of a teacher being sacked

Reading material for your afternoon tea break:

BBC News - Sacked teacher Kim Shaw 'victimised', tribunal told
Teacher sacked for pruning school bush gets £70k unfair dismissal compo | The Sun |News
Teacher 'sacked for explaining sex acts': Tribunal told of movement within school to 'get rid of a number of teachers who do not toe the orthodox Jewish line' - UK - News - The Independent
Removing bad teachers
Disciplinary And Capability Procedures Guidance For NUT Representatives | National Union of Teachers - NUT

[DodgyAgent]

Reading material for your afternoon tea break:

BBC News - Sacked teacher Kim Shaw 'victimised', tribunal told
Teacher sacked for pruning school bush gets £70k unfair dismissal compo | The Sun |News
Teacher 'sacked for explaining sex acts': Tribunal told of movement within school to 'get rid of a number of teachers who do not toe the orthodox Jewish line' - UK - News - The Independent
Removing bad teachers
Disciplinary And Capability Procedures Guidance For NUT Representatives | National Union of Teachers - NUT

And how many of those are for not teaching the school curriculum?

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Isn't the real problem that literate and numerate Eastern Europeans with lower living costs are able to compete with people who aren't that bright here? You can't educate everyone into Steven Hawking even by adopting a total free market - no doubt there are plenty of Eastern Europeans who have had to stay at home 'cos they can't learn enough English to get a job here.

It's ironic given the received wisdom on here that all teachers are lefties (I have personally met plenty who weren't) and that that's damaging - that the apparently well-educated kids taking jobs from our average kids are coming from a state education system in a mixed economy run by Social Democrats. Surely if they are so great, they must be the product of a totally free-market education?

[darmstadt]

And how many of those are for not teaching the school curriculum?

This chap didn't quite get sacked: Sledging lesson sees teacher reprimanded by education body | Education | The Guardian, but you have to ask yourself, is there actually a real, in-place, curriculum: Ebacc Scrapped In 'Humiliating' GCSE U-Turn By Michael Gove

[expat]

You can blame both governments however it is the left who have the grip on the education system. The best way to improve education is to give the consumers the power of choice.

Like the way it worked so well for the privatised railways and utility companies?

[expat]

Lets face it, most teachers go into the job because they had limited job opportunities yet we let them in charge of getting our kids up for the job market of the future. It is only ever going to end in disaster.

Quite false in my experience, quite insulting, and quite ignorant. Teachers are qualified in their subject and in education. Can't say that for the politicians that we put in charge of them.

[DodgyAgent]

Like the way it worked so well for the privatised railways and utility companies?

They are not good examples because they are monopolies. If however you want to argue that they would be better run and better funded if they were nationalised then go ahead and argue it.

[expat]

They are not good examples because they are monopolies. If however you want to argue that they would be better run and better funded if they were nationalised then go ahead and argue it.

I don't want to argue it because I don't need to, the proof is there in East Coast Mainlaine, which since being effectively "nationalised" under the state-owned Directly Operated Railways has paid over £602m into public funds (50% more than National Express or Virgin Rail), has a public subsidy 1/7 of that to Virgin Rail, a hugely improved safety record, increased leverls of punctuality and customer satisfaction.

The assertion that railways work better under public ownership has been tested, and proven.