This terrorist stuff in Kenya

[amcdonald]

Even if it were true then that would strengthen my point even more i.e. it is a political ideology backed with money from Saudi that has it's origins in Nazism. That is actually a load of tosh. It goes back a bit further than that to "scholars" who twisted the religion for political objectives. Not too dissimilar to Zionism and Christian-Zionism.

The point is you can't reason with an ideology whether it's trying to impress on Milliband that socialism is a dead end or that that modern political islam won't acheive an islamic caliphate in the west

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

The point is you can't reason with an ideology whether it's trying to impress on Milliband that socialism is a dead end or that that modern political islam won't acheive an islamic caliphate in the west

That sounds like a change in tone. Have to say it's spot on though - this is political Islam. At the heart of all religions is God and spirituality, so the form we see out there is a politicised form. People need to see this both for truth's sake and also to know how to battle the disease.

[OwlHoot]

Get through what? It's a shopping centre. There might have been one or two lightly armed security men at the front door, but not much more than that to get through.

Hadn't the terrorists rented a retail unit of some kind in the centre? If so it would be pretty easy to smuggle in anything short of an 88mm howitzer, just by parking in the service area at the back and carting in a load of crates.

[amcdonald]

Hadn't the terrorists rented a retail unit of some kind in the centre? If so it would be pretty easy to smuggle in anything short of an 88mm howitzer, just by parking in the service area at the back and carting in a load of crates.

Even then couldn't they claim to be rehearsing as an AC/DC tribute act, and the need howitzers to practise Hells Bells