No, no, Darmstadt, you've got it all wrong. Chico's preacher told him that Hitler was a humanist because Hitler used the word once. So all non-Christians are Nazis. Or something.
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CorrectAtheism is, essentially, a negative position. It is not believing in a god, or actively believing there is no God,
No, this would mean you were agnosticor choosing to not exercise any belief or non-belief concerning God,
True, "pure" atheist's cannot prove god does not exist, but nor can believers prove he does exist, hell believers cannot even prove Christ was the son of god or that he did any miracles or that he rose from the dead.After all, how do you prove there is no God in the universe? How do you prove that in all places and all times, there is no God? You can't.
Neither side has any evidence that proves their position (and before you say it, the bible and it's stories prove absolutely nothing).
Agnostics have nothing to prove either way
The main problem with belief in god these days is the church (any denomination), as supposedly God's representative organisation on earth (as they all claim to be) has done more any other group to provide circumstantial evidence that God does not exist.
Like if they are meant to be talking to god direct,implementing his plans and he is meant to be guiding them, how can they, over the centuries, get so many things about our universe wrong? (anyone feel like falling off the edge of the earth today?)
Thus any logical thinker is left with to draw any of the following conclusions
a)The church has no contact with god and invent everything themselves
b)God lies
c)God does not exist
Now b) no one really wants to consider, so that leaves a) and c), but because God and church are so intertwined in our subconscious it is hard for many to realise that a) does not nessarly mean god does not exist, thus in rejecting the church they feel they must reject the existence of god.
Only partially true, yes atheists have to go on the attack, but large portion of this is because they are trying to overturn at least 2 centuries of institutionalized indoctronation of the mass's, people believe, not because of proof or facts, but just because that was way they were raised. Only in the last 100 years have atheists been able to stand up and put forward their views without being burned at the stake, so forgive them if they seem a bit forceful, but 2000 years of persecution by the church's does tend to make you a bit aggressive.Therefore, atheists must go on the attack and negate any evidences presented for God’s existence in order to give intellectual credence to their position.
No you don't, you have the bible, hardly independent, accurate, trustworthy eyewitness reports or irrefutable proof.At least we Christians have evidences for God's existence such as fulfilled biblical prophecy, Jesus' resurrection, the Transcendental Argument, the entropy problem, etc.Comment
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OK, I'm sick of you posting bollocks and never backing it up. Explain how each of those point's back's up your (Christian) assertion that Jesus is the son of God and our saviour etc etc.At least we Christians have evidences for God's existence such as fulfilled biblical prophecy, Jesus' resurrection, the Transcendental Argument, the entropy problem, etc.
Let's just assume that you can't use the bible as evidence - cause that's just not gonna wash around these here parts.
Over to you, Chico.Comment
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Chico, another cut and paste. Do you actually have any ideas of your own? Actually don't bother. You're an intellectual midget.Comment
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That story is one of the best things I've ever read on this site.My post is bigger than yours !!
Maybe we should all stop posting our own thoughts and cut and paste the best things we can find?Comment
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Religion equals ignorance, violence and death
How many people have ever been sacrificed by athiests?
All human sacrifices have been by religious groups, from the days of the old testament, the pagans of England and the Aztecs worshiping the sun god. Religious scum! All religions should be banned.
Richard Edwards, Evening Standard (London), June 16
Boys from Africa are being murdered as human sacrifices in London churches.
They are brought into the capital to be offered up in rituals by fundamentalist Christian sects, according to a shocking report by Scotland Yard.
Followers believe that powerful spells require the deaths of “unblemished” male children.
Police believe such boys are trafficked from cities such as Kinshasa where they can be bought for a little as £10.
The report, leaked ahead of its publication next month, also cites examples of African children being tortured and killed after being identified as “witches” by church pastors.
The 10-month study was commissioned after the death of Victoria Climbié, who was starved and beaten to death after they said she was possessed by the devil.
The aim of the Met study was to create an “open dialogue” with the African and Asian community in Newham and Hackney. In discussions with African community leaders, officers were told of examples of children being murdered because their parents or carers believe them to be possessed by evil spirits. Earlier this month Sita Kisanga, 35, was convicted at the Old Bailey of torturing an eight-year-old girl from Angola she accused of being a witch.
Kisanga was a member of the Combat Spirituel church in Dalston. Many such churches, supported mainly by people from West Africa, sanction aggressive forms of exorcism on those thought to be possessed.
There are believed to be 300 such churches in the UK, mostly in London.
The report was put together by an expert social worker and lawyer for the Met after talking to hundreds of people in African communities in a series of workshops. It uncovered allegations of witchcraft spells, child trafficking and HIV-positive people who believe that by having sex with a child they will be “cleansed”.
An extract reads: “People who are desperate will seek out experts to cast spells for them.
“Members of the workshop stated that for a spell to be powerful it required a sacrifice involving a male child unblemished by circumcision. They allege that boy children are being trafficked into the UK for this purpose.”
It adds: “A number of pastors maintain that God speaks through them and lets them know when someone is possessed.
“It is therefore their duty to deliver the child or adult from the evil spirit.
“After much debate they acknowledge that children labelled as possessed are in danger of being beaten by their families.
“However, they would not accept they played a role in inciting such violence.”
Last month Scotland Yard revealed it had traced just two out of 300 black boys aged four to seven reported missing from London schools in a three-month period.
The true figure for missing boys and girls is feared to be several thousand a year.
The scale of the problem emerged through the murder inquiry following the discovery of a child’s torso in the Thames in September 2001. The identity of the victim, named Adam by police, is not known but his background was traced to Nigeria. It is believed he died in a ritual sacrifice.
John Azar, who helped the police on that inquiry, told Radio4’s Today programme that the known cases could be “the tip of the iceberg”.
Police working on the Adam case have found children are being sold to traffickers on the streets of major African cities for less than £10 and then smuggled into the UK. The children arrive in London armed with false documents and accompanied by adults who believe they will bolster their asylum claims.
Dr Richard Hoskins, a lecturer of Theology and Religious Studies at King’s College, said: “We know this through work we have been doing on the Adam inquiry. These children are ripe for people to abuse. They are easy prey.”
A Met spokesman said: “We undertook a project aimed at improving our knowledge of issues impacting child abuse within the African and Asian communities of London. The aim of the project was to open a dialogue within these communities and encourage a debate which would help reduce the risks of harm to children.”
The report says there is a wide gulf between these communities and social services and protection agencies with many people in ethnic communities scared to speak out.
The report concludes police face a “wall of silence” when dealing with such cases.
Experts differ on the merits of the Scotland Yard report.
Dr William Les Henry, a lecturer in sociology at Goldsmiths College, said aspects of the reports were pigeonholing crimes together and were patronising and racist.
He said: “When we think about these cases we can see the same kind of patterns of behaviour in European cultures but they are interpreted in completely different ways.
“This is one of the crises with social sciences anyway, when they are supposedly interpreting the folk ways or cultural habits of alien cultures.” He said that the models such reports are based on are that “Africans are less civilised, less rational”.
But Dr Hoskins said: “This is very detailed, qualitative report that actually comes out of the communities.
“This is not white people saying this. This has actually comes from the communities authored by people in the community and that really stymies the racist line.” He added: “We are dealing with real cases here. When you actually talk to them, these are hard and fast facts.
“So I don’t think we are getting wrong, but it is right to treat it sensitively.”
He believes vulnerable people are being manipulated by spiritual leaders.
“This is absolutely what is going on. They are often very vulnerable, poor people.
“It is people in positions of power and money that are manipulating poor people.”
(Posted on June 16, 2005)Comment
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Re: Religion equals ignorance, violence and death
I've wanted to believe in God, I really have...
But on the occasions that I've been awake at 4am looking at myself and the night and the stars, I know in my heart of hearts...
...there's nobody here but us chickens. :\Comment
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Re: Religion equals ignorance, violence and death
I hope I'm not the only one on site today!Comment
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Re: Religion equals ignorance, violence and death
Sounds like yet another good argument for religion. I'm convinced anyhow.How many people have ever been sacrificed by athiests?Comment
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Re: Religion equals ignorance, violence and death
That we can live good, ethical, lives without religious or superstitious beliefs
That we can make sense of the world using reason, experience and shared human values
That we have only one life and that it's our responsibility to make it a good life, and live it to the full
That we should take responsibility for our actions and work with others for the common goodComment
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