Did Thatcher create the Chav underclass?

[Hart-floot]

Thatcher wanted to follow the American economic model. The downside of this of course is that you end up with the American social model as well.

US Welfare Mothers UK Unmarried Mums living on benefit
US White Trailer Trash UK Chav culture
US Black Ghetto Culture UK Black Ghetto Culture
US Minimum wage, hire/fire jobs etc etc etc etc

[benn0]

The 18-25 age group which forms the majority of the social underclass we are referring to were born and raised during the Thatcher regime.

You reap what you sow.

[ALM]

Benn0, if you want to get on at New Lie towers you need to throw in some meaningless statistics to back up your argument.

Saying that you are well on your way to New Lie Dronedom.

[The Lone Gunman]

The 18-25 age group which forms the majority of the social underclass we are referring to were born and raised during the Thatcher regime.

You reap what you sow.

...and had they continued to thrive under the Tories they would never have heard of chavism never mind become one!
Their parents would never have been able to relax into a benefits supported lifestyle where washing machines, dvd players and Sky TV were deemed necessary. The luxuries of life had to be earned. We were not a gimme gimme gimme society (unless you were an ABBA fan (isn't that in Wales)).

[John Galt]

The 18-25 age group which forms the majority of the social underclass we are referring to were born and raised during the Thatcher regime.

You reap what you sow.

You have proved that you are no supporter of the Tories but can I ask, in all seriousness, why you support NL when all indicators prove that they are ruining the country

[Fungus]

I'm not that old myself but I don't remember any chavs prior to 1989! It's definitely a recent phenomenon. My father-in-law was the nearest thing in the 80's as he lived on a council estate and had two Sierra cosworths parked on his front drive and listened to the Quo. Then again he was a professional tradesman and worked pretty damn hard as well, something that is not so common with recent chavs.

I blame:

- Labour
- Drugs
- The internet
- Mobile phones
- Things being open late

or "the convenient society".

Chavs have been with us ever since I can remember (late 60's) but the term being in general usage is recent. Council house scum is the old equivalent i.e. the minority of council house tenants who are scruffy, aggressive, thieving slobs.

When I grew up, some estates were no go areas as you would get beaten up if you went there.

These people are nothing new, and probably are the modern equivalent of the gin den inhabitants of old. Except that today they have no excuse since we have 'free' education and health. The problem is that they breed freely and hand on their 'culture' to their repulsive mutant progeny.

Only a complete tw@t from the Socialist Worker's Party such as Benny Boy could have come up with such a superficial and mendacious argument.

BTW Wasn't it the previous New Liar Lord Chancellor whose son who got locked up in the states for various crimes including drug possession and rape? That was obviously Mrs T's fault.

[Fungus]

I don't have any enemies.

It's your lucky day. I'm your enemy. I wouldn't want you to feel lonely.

[DodgyAgent]

The 18-25 age group which forms the majority of the social underclass we are referring to were born and raised during the Thatcher regime.

You reap what you sow.

The underclass exist within a state contolled socialist welfare system. They are the complete opposite of what Thatcher stood for and the complete opposite. The kindest thing to do to these people is wrench them from the debilitating grip of welfare. They are the products of socialism not Thatcherism.
Again you criticise "tory" voters for moaning about taxation. Your arguments for paying tax are built on wrong assumptions. tax that goes to welfare is evil, tax that is given to people to spend who have no accountability or responsibility is also wrong.Unlike the pareonising lefties who seem to think that paying tax gives them some sort of moral integrity thus enabling them to ignore the poor, tory voters want their tax to actually be spent for the benefit of the poor rather than for the benefit of the parasites who waste it.

[snaw]

The underclass exist within a state contolled socialist welfare system. They are the complete opposite of what Thatcher stood for and the complete opposite. The kindest thing to do to these people is wrench them from the debilitating grip of welfare. They are the products of socialism not Thatcherism.

The underclass exist whether there is a welfare system or not. You just have to take a look at the in the history of Britain pre-welfare state and see may of the same problems, plus a few more even less desirable ones.

On one hand too much welfare state (Which I'd generally agree that wee have too much of here) and you end up with a dependence culture, which get's propogated every generation. On the other hand when you take it away you end up with some sort of Dickensian nightmare from Victorian London. I've seen a few third world countries that have no safety net and they seemed pretty grim to me.

The problem with Thatcher was that she empowered some people, for the better, but in the process destroyed a fair bit. Coming from one of the places which she destroyed (A mining village) I'll never be able to forgive her, but I can see some of the benefits from her years now. Just hard to relate that in a village that was once solidly working class and decent, now turned into breeding ground for unemployment, teenage mums and junkies all cause she wanted to destroy the unions but had no thought for some of the consequences of that process 20 years after.

It's easy to critisise these people but I'd be interested to see how most people would turn out given the same set of circumstances.

[TheMonkey]

US Black Ghetto Culture UK Black Ghetto Culture

That's worse than the chavs. My sister in law is a chav but she's not as bad as half the ghetto ******* round here (I'm using what they call themselves).