Scotland the skint

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This is one of those expressions that really means nothing as each persons definition of fair is different. Some might think its 'fair' that other people work to pay for them while they have an easy life having lots of babies. Others might think its 'fair' that everyone keeps 80% of their earnings and those that dont want to work are given a very basic lifestyle, and im talking barrack style accommodation and basic food.

I think its fair that everyone gets free prescriptions or no one does. I think its fair that people pay for their own education. To me unfair is where one set of people get different rules applied to them than another set, and this is exactly the Scotland situation.

I really have no clue what you are talking about there. A swift ramble on taxation, education & welfare with no apparent meaning ended with 'Scotland situation'

[DodgyAgent]

A drinking contest

[mrdonuts]

We're all Jock Tamson's bairns. We should be pulling together both sides of the Tweed and sorting out the issues UK has as a whole instead of dividing, splitting and having certain powers that be playing on emotions and opening old wounds.

I'm sometimes dismayed at the atittudes of some people either side of the border and how the 'other half' are perceived. Come up this way if you need convincing that Scotland has a place in the UK. My place is open house to anybody on here.

thats from someone who has tricolour jelly as there logo !

what i dont understand is (and i am generalising here) why celtic supporters vote labour when i would have thought they would have been keen to see an independent scotland. Surely its obvious that labour want scotland to remain in the uk to just to keep them in the uk race, do they (the labour party) have scotlands best interests at heart , i doubt it

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Alex Salmond 'manufacturing outrage' over Economist Skintland cover - Telegraph[/url]

nothing manufactured about it at all i am fu cking fuming

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thats from someone who has tricolour jelly as there logo !

what i dont understand is (and i am generalising here) why celtic supporters vote labour when i would have thought they would have been keen to see an independent scotland. Surely its obvious that labour want scotland to remain in the uk to just to keep them in the uk race, do they (the labour party) have scotlands best interests at heart , i doubt it

Who owns this sockie?

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thats from someone who has tricolour jelly as there logo !

That's a plate of jelly and ice cream ya plonker, see anything in it you want.

[Diver]

[QUOTE] Originally Posted by escapeUK
This is one of those expressions that really means nothing as each persons definition of fair is different.

Some might think its 'fair' that other people work to pay for them while they have an easy life having lots of babies.
The babies should be raised by the state as a cheap workforce for the future maintenance of the country or as future cannon fodder and the women sent to state brothels or used as forced labour

Others might think its 'fair' that everyone keeps 80% of their earnings and those that dont want to work are given a very basic lifestyle, and im talking barrack style accommodation and basic food.
This is a fair and good idea

I think its fair that everyone gets free prescriptions or no one does.
Don't agree. We in Wales get so called Free Prescriptions because we pay for them through our council taxes

I think its fair that people pay for their own education.
Through Taxes. Those that don't pay enough taxes don't get their kids educated unless they pay for them themselves.

To me unfair is where one set of people get different rules applied to them than another set, and this is exactly the Scotland situation.
Elaborate Please

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If anyone thinks Aberdeen will be Aberdoon anytime soon then I can say it ain't going to happen, place is awash with Burt Lancaster types in tweed for the black oil and that is going to go on for lang time.

And I doubt Islay will ever be Islay-offs either, the Laphroaig Distillery paid more into HRMC than Apple did last year.

[wim121]

This is one of those expressions that really means nothing as each persons definition of fair is different. Some might think its 'fair' that other people work to pay for them while they have an easy life having lots of babies.

The babies should be raised by the state as a cheap workforce for the future maintenance of the country or as future cannon fodder and the women sent to state brothels or used as forced labour

You're either being deliberately inflammatory or completely missed the point.

It is unfair when people go ahead and procreate without having made proper provisions. I'm in my late twenties and I don't have a child, but that is because I want to be able to provide for my future child, instead of receiving state handouts, I want to spend some time with the future mother and do what we want before we have to bear responsibility.

I disagree with others, such as a couple of friends who found themselves in debt badly before conceiving but deliberately conceived anyway.

That is not what happens in modern society Diver. The OH has worked in schools before and a few years back among teenage girls, they were asked 'what they wanted to be when they were older?' and several said "I want to be a mum when I stop school so I can get my own council house."

That is the sad state of modern Britain. Many young women feel they stand a good chance of getting their own place and being better off by spurting out kids, a lot of the time to different fathers who are just a donor and wallet. Many people are better off on benefits than they are working.

That is wrong. Benefits should only provide so one doesn't die in poverty. They should not provide a better lifestyle than an honest living does. That is the biggest mistake in welfare.

[Diver]

You're either being deliberately inflammatory or completely missed the point.
No I didn't miss the point. I'm being deliberately inflammatory because I'm sick of paying ~£500+ a week in tax and NI contributions to support the bone idle, mindless or scrounging scum that infest today’s society.
It is unfair when people go ahead and procreate without having made proper provisions.
Agreed
I disagree with others, such as a couple of friends who found themselves in debt badly before conceiving but deliberately conceived anyway.
She should have been forcefully aborted and sterilised, and he castrated for being selfish unthinking idiots and a burden on society.

That is not what happens in modern society Diver. The OH has worked in schools before and a few years back among teenage girls, they were asked 'what they wanted to be when they were older?' and several said "I want to be a mum when I stop school so I can get my own council house."
Compulsory birth control administered by force if necessary

That is the sad state of modern Britain. Many young women feel they stand a good chance of getting their own place and being better off by spurting out kids, a lot of the time to different fathers who are just a donor and wallet. Many people are better off on benefits than they are working. That is wrong. Benefits should only provide so one doesn't die in poverty. They should not provide a better lifestyle than an honest living does. That is the biggest mistake in welfare.
[COLOR="blue"]Social housing should only be provided to those capable of paying for it (except the elderly and disabled). I still think that drug and drink testing for benefit claimants is the way to go. Why should we who work pay for those who don't to have a good time?
Issue food vouchers and travel vouchers not money to those out of work. Except in the case where sufficient contributions have been made to the state through tax & NI. [/COLOR

Also, Spot checks (powers of entry & Stop & search) on claimants and those paying minimal tax to see if they are living within their declared means, if not then confiscate luxury items like jewelry, Cars, electronic games systems, TV’s etc.