Bath road rage woman :-)

[Bagpuss]

She hadn't really parked it, she was trying to get to her shop. Should have moved it sooner and is a bit inconsiderate, but probably pissed she can't get to the shop. She's not even that rude or aggressive. A bit cheeky and inconsiderate but doesn't deserve an internet hate campaign. Pretty sad sign of the (hypocritical) times.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

But it's fine to go filming something that has none of your business?

Who are you to decide what is my/his business? If it happens in public, that's for me to judge.

The dumpy little turd

Nice - you take the word of the woman who threatens to lie to the law and repeat the insult.

behind the camera isn't a traffic officer so the films not admissible as evidence in a traffic violation. He's just a nosey tulip that adds to the situation...

Traffic violation? Are you an American? or have you just been watching too much US telly?

Without the camera: There's just another resident from Bath parking like they own the city which is nothing new or interesting. If your drive through that road on any day of the month the chances are that you will get held up there because there are large vans double parked to make deliveries... Ironically probably delivering food to LOCH FYNE (There you go. I bothered to get the spelling right for the pedants this time. ) she would have been more sensible to park across the closed road rather than block the open road. But then thats just bad driving.

Actually thats true with or without the camera.

With the camera: Heaps of fun for the lazy you tube generation because an anonymous busybody gets to goad her into causing herself a whole raft of abuse and nasty feeling while they remain out of sight behind a camera...

Goad? Goad? Some bloke standing in the street filming your car and the jam you created is enough to cause you to stalk him for ten minutes demanding he hands overs his phone, making bogus claims it's illegal and threatening to make serious false allegations to the Police? Get real (sorry I forgot - you were just going to punch him). And that's where it got interesting - if he'd posted just the bit of inconsiderate driving none of us would know about it.

I find it a disturbing precedent. Just like the coward that filmed the guy lobbing the youth off of the train the other month maximum fun from the minimum input and no comebacks to them because they are sat on their arse behind the camera.

Wonder if he would have been filming a 6 foot bloke doing the same thing?

What exactly do you find disturbing here? What is cowardly and what sort of "comebacks" have you got in mind?

I actually like it that people are putting bits of real life up there for the rest of us. It's educational to see how other people are and the stuff that gets done

PCSO NEEDS TO KNOW THE LAW - YouTube

[Peoplesoft bloke]

. She's not even that rude or aggressive. .

" who the F*** do you think you are filming me? give me that phone now"

"How dare you you fat little lump"

Husband "Ten seconds to delete that off the phone - seriously, otherwise I'll call the Police"

Sarah D "I'll call the police"

Bloke with camera" On what basis?"

Sarah D "I'll say you assualted me"

[Bagpuss]

" who the F*** do you think you are filming me? give me that phone now"

"How dare you you fat little lump"

Husband "Ten seconds to delete that off the phone - seriously, otherwise I'll call the Police"

Sarah D "I'll call the police"

Bloke with camera" On what basis?"

Sarah D "I'll say you assualted me"

She probably didn't want to end up on Youtube. Like I said she was cheeky, but not particularly aggressive in tone. The guy comes across as a bit of a smug curtain twitcher with nothing better to do than judge others. At first when I was watching it I thought it was set-up as it doesn't get that heated.

I think it's a massive over-reaction to a minor incident of a woman with bad road manners (like that is rare!).


PS I'm not supporting the inconsideration for others or how she dealt with it, just saying nobody deserves internet infamy and abuse for something many people would do these days. The same people who may now be eager to judge her.

[bobspud]

" who the F*** do you think you are filming me? give me that phone now"

"How dare you you fat little lump"

Husband "Ten seconds to delete that off the phone - seriously, otherwise I'll call the Police"

Sarah D "I'll call the police"

Bloke with camera" On what basis?"

Sarah D "I'll say you assualted me"

Yes. Far more entertaining than <WALOP> Thanks for the free phone you nosey little tulip... <silence>

Is it for me to decide what or who you can or cannot film? Or is it your right to make others feel uncomfortable when you use your freedom to take pictures of them against their wishes...

The balance should be with consent. There's as much consent there as their would be if I mugged the guy for his phone...

If you got snapped in a club by your mate with another girl would rather it didn't end up tagged to you on Facebook for your wife/girlfriend to see... Or does your wish to see what humans do extend to your own indiscretions

[Peoplesoft bloke]

She probably didn't want to end up on Youtube. Like I said she was cheeky, but not particularly aggressive in tone. The guy comes across as a bit of a smug curtain twitcher with nothing better to do than judge others. At first when I was watching it I thought it was set-up as it doesn't get that heated.

I think it's a massive over-reaction to a minor incident of a woman with bad road manners (like that is rare!).

Maybe it's a generational thing but when someone I don't know starts f'in at me and calling me names that's rude and aggressive in my book - threatening to lie to the police in an attempt to drop me in it isn't OK either by me - but I accept I'm old and lying etc isn't seen as that bad by younger folk according to that report in the Indy this week.

I think we're finding a couple of different outlooks here - some of you seem to think that doing what the flip you like is nothing to do with others - maybe you really are the "no such thing as society" generation where we just have to suck up whatever anyone else does without questioning it - I don't regard it as curtain-twitching to take exception to it and I will take it up with people - OK I'm not the be-all and end all, but if no-one ever questions anyone else being anti-social how will they even know?

As for "She probably didn't want to end up on Youtube" - she approached the guy with a high-handed attitude - the video when she's in the car is far from clear - if she had parked up and walked off, no-one would know who she was.

[Bagpuss]

Maybe it's a generational thing but when someone I don't know starts f'in at me and calling me names that's rude and aggressive in my book - threatening to lie to the police in an attempt to drop me in it isn't OK either by me - but I accept I'm old and lying etc isn't seen as that bad by younger folk according to that report in the Indy this week.

I think we're finding a couple of different outlooks here - some of you seem to think that doing what the flip you like is nothing to do with others - maybe you really are the "no such thing as society" generation where we just have to suck up whatever anyone else does without questioning it - I don't regard it as curtain-twitching to take exception to it and I will take it up with people - OK I'm not the be-all and end all, but if no-one ever questions anyone else being anti-social how will they even know?

As for "She probably didn't want to end up on Youtube" - she approached the guy with a high-handed attitude - the video when she's in the car is far from clear - if she had parked up and walked off, no-one would know who she was.

I don't think it's a generational thing in how our views on this may differ (I am not a youngster). I can not abide bad manners especially bad road manners.
But from what I can tell, and correct me if I'm wrong, she can usually get down the closed off road to unload/load material to her shop, all fine and legal. She is unexpectedly blocked by some roadworks and gets out to find out if she can pass, not much traffic as she does this and quite often you are allowed access in such situations. During this event she has not moved the car out of the way as traffic builds up, perhaps she was making a point, perhaps not. However she did have a legitimate reason to be there. This bystander decides this is not on, she can not wait while asking for access, she must not attempt to access her shop and must meet his approval. He will film her until he is satisfied. If you want to talk old school manners, he could have gone up to her and notified her of the error of her ways, politely asked her to move it, that would have worked better than filming her.

Filming anyone is only likely to freak them out and possibly cause them to over-react and say things they don't mean. So yes lack of consideration and manners on both sides here. But not worthy of internet infamy.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Yes. Far more entertaining than <WALOP> Thanks for the free phone you nosey little tulip... <silence>

Is it for me to decide what or who you can or cannot film? Or is it your right to make others feel uncomfortable when you use your freedom to take pictures of them against their wishes...

On balance my right to make you feel uncomfortable (in a public place) wins - if all I do is film you, what harm can I do?

This woman didn't ask the bloke nicely to stop - and plainly you don't feel the need either. As a matter of interest, why do you think she was objecting to his filming -was it just a self-rightuous indignation against so-called nosy people that you and she seem to share?

The balance should be with consent. There's as much consent there as their[sic] would be if I mugged the guy for his phone...

I cannot agree with you less - aside for the fact that it would be utterly ridiculous to try and get consent from everyone in a public place you are effectively signing a charter to make everything in public places secret until allowed - and I don't like the precedent that sets.
And your attempt to equate legal filming in a public place with assualt and mugging is way off the mark.

If you got snapped in a club by your mate with another girl would rather it didn't end up tagged to you on Facebook for your wife/girlfriend to see... Or does your wish to see what humans do extend to your own indiscretions

Snap away - if I'm doing that I'm a taking risk - there are plenty of other ways I could get caught and if I do, I'll have to face up to the consequences -I certainly don't think it would be my God-given right to punch the guy and steal his phone.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

I don't think it's a generational thing in how our views on this may differ (I am not a youngster). I can not abide bad manners especially bad road manners.
But from what I can tell, and correct me if I'm wrong, she can usually get down the closed off road to unload/load material to her shop, all fine and legal. She is unexpectedly blocked by some roadworks and gets out to find out if she can pass, not much traffic as she does this and quite often you are allowed access in such situations. During this event she has not moved the car out of the way as traffic builds up, perhaps she was making a point, perhaps not. However she did have a legitimate reason to be there. This bystander decides this is not on, she can not wait while asking for access, she must not attempt to access her shop and must meet his approval. He will film her until he is satisfied. If you want to talk old school manners, he could have gone up to her and notified her of the error of her ways, politely asked her to move it, that would have worked better than filming her.

Filming anyone is only likely to freak them out and possibly cause them to over-react and say things they don't mean. So yes lack of consideration and manners on both sides here. But not worthy of internet infamy.

Actually, I agree with most of your analysis - but she could easily have discussed calmly with the bloke rather than her opening gambit of swearing at him and insulting him. The guy does say calmly that he thinks it was wrong of her to block the street. I have thought about this a lot - and I can see myself making the same mistake as her (maybe) but I cannot see myslef being so nasty to the bloke about it - I reckon I could still chat to him about it - I certainly would have expressed some degree of contrition seeing the size of the jam I'd created, albeit perhaps inadvertantly.

[Bagpuss]

Actually, I agree with most of your analysis - but she could easily have discussed calmly with the bloke rather than her opening gambit of swearing at him and insulting him. The guy does say calmly that he thinks it was wrong of her to block the street. I have thought about this a lot - and I can see myself making the same mistake as her (maybe) but I cannot see myslef being so nasty to the bloke about it - I reckon I could still chat to him about it - I certainly would have expressed some degree of contrition seeing the size of the jam I'd created, albeit perhaps inadvertantly.

I think she has probably learnt a lesson here, she doesn't come across as a nice person at all and probably feels very embarrassed by it. But it's is bit harsh that she's receiving threats and has Facebook pages identifying her shop.
Can't help feeling this will become the norm soon, all altercations become recorded and posted on the internet where the public decide who is the hero and who is the villain and make some more judgments. One wonders if she had been making a film of the whole series of events of her morning from her POV if the roles would have become switched.