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And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014 -
Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostIs this more to do with bad schools or feckless parents?Comment
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Based on observing those of my friends who went to public schools I would say they have a different level of expectation of life and of themselves. I think this is mostly attributable to the sort of people they have around them when growing up, as their parents and their friends parents are more likely to be high achievers, but their schooling definitely encouraged and reinforced it. They're also more likely to have good planning and organisational skills, good financial sense, good social skills and other important life skills. I think this is largely attributable to the fact they are the children of people with these skills rather than their schooling, as I see the same things in people from similar backgrounds who went to state schools.
Parental economic status correlates strongly with all sorts of things such as educational attainment and truancy rates as well as health, criminality and so on. To some extent people are poor because of low educational attainment but it's hard not to think that reducing inequality and poverty will do something to combat low educational achievement.While you're waiting, read the free novel we sent you. It's a Spanish story about a guy named 'Manual.'Comment
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Originally posted by BrilloPad View PostSchools cannot operate without the support of the parents.Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Originally posted by doodab View PostBased on observing those of my friends who went to public schools I would say they have a different level of expectation of life and of themselves. I think this is mostly attributable to the sort of people they have around them when growing up, as their parents and their friends parents are more likely to be high achievers, but their schooling definitely encouraged and reinforced it. They're also more likely to have good planning and organisational skills, good financial sense, good social skills and other important life skills. I think this is largely attributable to the fact they are the children of people with these skills rather than their schooling, as I see the same things in people from similar backgrounds who went to state schools.
Parental economic status correlates strongly with all sorts of things such as educational attainment and truancy rates as well as health, criminality and so on. To some extent people are poor because of low educational attainment but it's hard not to think that reducing inequality and poverty will do something to combat low educational achievement.Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Originally posted by doodab View PostThey're also more likely to have good planning and organisational skills, good financial sense, good social skills and other important life skills.Hard Brexit now!
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Originally posted by doodab View PostBased on observing those of my friends who went to public schools I would say they have a different level of expectation of life and of themselves. I think this is mostly attributable to the sort of people they have around them when growing up, as their parents and their friends parents are more likely to be high achievers, but their schooling definitely encouraged and reinforced it. They're also more likely to have good planning and organisational skills, good financial sense, good social skills and other important life skills. I think this is largely attributable to the fact they are the children of people with these skills rather than their schooling, as I see the same things in people from similar backgrounds who went to state schools.
Parental economic status correlates strongly with all sorts of things such as educational attainment and truancy rates as well as health, criminality and so on. To some extent people are poor because of low educational attainment but it's hard not to think that reducing inequality and poverty will do something to combat low educational achievement.
Isn't the problem inequality of ambition as opposed to purely economic inequality?And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by sasguru View Post
What utter tosh. I went to one and the emphasis is very much on the collective. Individualism is definitely frowned upon.Comment
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostLet me recount a little story. A little while ago, the ravishing Lady Tester and I were wandering around a nearby small town that's known for its art galleries and little boutiques run by young designers. Obviously, some of the shoes on offer were of great interest to the lady of Tester manor, and of considerable economic disquietment to yours truly. Anyway, Lady Tester bought (and generously allowed me to pay for) a pair of shoes in a rather smart little shop. As we left the shop, we overheard a young boy asking his father 'what's in that shop?' His father, rather less elegantly dressed than most other perambulators, answered 'it's a shoe shop, but not a shoe shop for people like you and me'. He could have said to him 'it's a smart shoe shop, but you'll have to save up for some time to buy shoes in there', possibly 'it's a smart shoe shop, but you'll need to do lots of paper rounds to buy your shoes there' or 'it's a smart shoe shop and if you do your best at school and work very hard you might one day be able to buy your shoes in there'. But no, he told his kid it's 'not for you and me', rubbed his nose in his humble background and basically passed on the kind of fatalism that feeds poverty.
Perhaps the father was merely pointing out to his child that the sort of people who bought shoes in that shop were flighty, shallow, pretentious, silly people who paid ridiculous amounts for fashion designer ware.Hard Brexit now!
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Originally posted by sasguru View PostNice story but there is another explanation.
Perhaps the father was merely pointing out to his child that the sort of people who bought shoes in that shop were flighty, shallow, pretentious, silly people who paid ridiculous amounts for fashion designer ware.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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