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Makes Churchill losing in '45 seem odd too. Apparently the most popular PM they'd been, according to ratings after the war; 83% popularity rating. -
It does normally take cross party support to go to war in the first place though.Originally posted by Churchill View PostSorry Dodgy, you're talking bollocks. During a true global conflict elections would be suspended.
The first General Election in the United Kingdom after 1935 wasn't held until 10 years later, in 1945!
That is a lot harder to achieve than in a dictatorship.Just saying like.
where there's chaos, there's cash !
I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong!
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The man himself was popular. The sweeping reforms promised by the Labour Party ensured their victory.Originally posted by Zoiderman View PostMakes Churchill losing in '45 seem odd too. Apparently the most popular PM they'd been, according to ratings after the war; 83% popularity rating.Comment
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My point is that no single group or individual within a democratic country can unilaterally go to war without the approval of the majority of the population. yes subsequent elections may be suspended.Originally posted by Churchill View PostSorry Dodgy, you're talking bollocks. During a true global conflict elections would be suspended.
The first General Election in the United Kingdom after 1935 wasn't held until 10 years later, in 1945!Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Tried suggesting the Conservatives were all Brown shirts too. Dirty Labour...Originally posted by Churchill View PostThe man himself was popular. The sweeping reforms promised by the Labour Party ensured their victory.Comment
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Originally posted by Arturo Bassick View PostIt does normally take cross party support to go to war in the first place though.
That is a lot harder to achieve than in a dictatorship.The above says what I meant to convey in a far more eloquent manner.There is nothing new in a government lying to their people to start a war. Indeed because most people prefer living in peace to bloody and horrific death in war, any government that desires to initiate a war usually lies to their people to create the illusion that support for the war is the only possible choice they can make.Last edited by Churchill; 12 October 2011, 10:50. Reason: To correct the impression that I wrote the above when in reality I stole it of t'interweb.Comment
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Didn't we go to war with Iran/Argentina, without giving the incumbents our approval? Or have I missed a point?Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostMy point is that no single group or individual within a democratic country can unilaterally go to war without the approval of the majority of the population. yes subsequent elections may be suspended.Comment
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They don't go off to fight though.Originally posted by Arturo Bassick View PostIt does normally take cross party support to go to war in the first place though.
That is a lot harder to achieve than in a dictatorship.Comment
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Yes, but they still have to make the case and the opposition has to support the deception (or be deceived itself) like Bliar did.Originally posted by Churchill View PostThere is nothing new in a government lying to their people to start a war. Indeed because most people prefer living in peace to bloody and horrific death in war, any government that desires to initiate a war usually lies to their people to create the illusion that support for the war is the only possible choice they can make.
A lot easier for the like of Saddam who just says "right lads off you pop".
I get what you are saying, I do honestly. Bliar went to war against public opinion. Even after convincing the Tories to support him with the doctored document I think the Country was against him and we still went in.Just saying like.
where there's chaos, there's cash !
I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong!
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Ah but that's not what you actually said...Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostMy point is that no single group or individual within a democratic country can unilaterally go to war without the approval of the majority of the population. yes subsequent elections may be suspended.
Originally posted by DodgyAgentIf a government from a democratic country embarks on a war it has to be approved by the population or they get voted out at the next election. Saddam Hussain was able to go to war without any mandate from anyone.Comment
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