Cameron: State multiculturalism has failed

[Churchill]

I used neither 'religion' or 'race' but 'people'. Anyway, a poor attempt to distract.

It is indeed only defamation if it is not true, and this can also be said of any of the accusations that anti-semites might make. But it is still anti-semitism.

If you hold anti-semitic views, no doubt you will believe them to be true, but an anti-semite you remain nevertheless. You just happen to be a self-justified anti-semite.

In your view. Which of course you are perfectly entitled to have. You have yours, I'll have mine. If you choose to label me as "Antisemitic" then you've formed the wrong conclusion based on one statement.

Btw, are you going to drag this up every other time you're in danger of losing an argument?

Just so I know.

[Churchill]

What is uncivil about my post?

I'm not an ex-squaddie.

hth.

[sasguru]

If you choose to label me as "Antisemitic" then you've formed the wrong conclusion based on one statement.

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The statement is pretty explicit.
It says

(1) Jews regard non-jews as there to be "used".
You haven't qualified this in any way e.g. saying some Jews behave this way. One of the characteristics of racism is make generalisations about a whole group, which you have done.

(2) Apparently you came to the above conclusion after having worked for a Jewish firm. Rather stupid to judge all Jews by your experience in this firm, don't you think?

[Churchill]

The statement is pretty explicit.
It says

(1) Jews regard non-jews as there to be "used".
You haven't qualified this in any way e.g. saying some Jews behave this way. One of the characteristics of racism is make generalisations about a whole group, which you have done.

(2) Apparently you came to the above conclusion after having worked for a Jewish firm. Rather stupid to judge all Jews by your experience in this firm, don't you think?

Qualify it to whom?

I owe you nothing. If I started to qualify the statement I would be accused of back-tracking. I gave my justification. End of.

[Old Greg]

Qualify it to whom?

I owe you nothing. If I started to qualify the statement I would be accused of back-tracking. I gave my justification. End of.

It's the 'end of' in as much as you are an anti-semite.

If I'm ever near losing an argument with you (or even if nowhere near), I'll consider whether to bring it up, according to its relevance - because I happen to think anti-semitism is a big thing.

What I don't understand, is why you don't just admit it? I'm an anti-monarchist and you're an anti-semite. We've agreed that we can hold differing views in a democracy. Or at least deny it and explain why your statements don't make you an anti-semite.

[sasguru]

Qualify it to whom?

I owe you nothing. If I started to qualify the statement I would be accused of back-tracking. I gave my justification. End of.

You're right you owe me nothing.

Nevertheless:

1. Your unqualified statement is clearly anti-semitic.
2. As I pointed out in my previous post, your justification for the unqualified statement is clearly un-intelligent.


HTH

[Churchill]

It's the 'end of' in as much as you are an anti-semite.

If I'm ever near losing an argument with you (or even if nowhere near), I'll consider whether to bring it up, according to its relevance - because I happen to think anti-semitism is a big thing.

What I don't understand, is why you don't just admit it? I'm an anti-monarchist and you're an anti-semite. We've agreed that we can hold differing views in a democracy. Or at least deny it and explain why your statements don't make you an anti-semite.

Deny what? I've made one statement based on my own experiences and you chose to label it.

Fine. No problem you've arrived at your own (in my opinion erroneous) conclusion, I have nothing to defend.

[Old Greg]

Qualify it to whom?

I owe you nothing. If I started to qualify the statement I would be accused of back-tracking. I gave my justification. End of.

BTW - back-tracking is OK, and I reckon you're big enough to handle that accusation. You could always say that you didn't really mean it, and it's a generalisation, and you accept that your views may have been coloured by a bad experience, and that in retrospect (or within the context of this discussion) you accept that this is not an accurate description of Jews.

[Churchill]

You're right you owe me nothing.

Nevertheless:

1. Your unqualified statement is clearly anti-semitic.
2. As I pointed out in my previous post, your justification for the unqualified statement is clearly un-intelligent.

HTH

Actually no it doesn't help, not one little bit.

[sasguru]

Actually no it doesn't help, not one little bit.

No I didn't suppose it would.
Those of a less mulish disposition and higher IQ will see my point though.