Too many jobs!

[suityou01]

Hyper,

yes I agree

once wages and living standards and expectations are suitably reduced in the UK

and Bobs (and other Bobs territories) get their costs inflation

then yes, it will be competitive to do IT with Europeans again


meantime, SY01, you are correct it's Darwinism in action, adapt or pass away,Milan.

Oh. You agreed with me. This never happens. I'm a little scared.

[milanbenes]

apologies Old Timer,

let me put it, Comp Science was one of the least popular :-)

how's the neighbour's bay window ?

Milan.

[Mich the Tester]

16 years ago when I got my Comp Science degree, Comp Science was the least popular subject at uni's and poly's

I'm sure Electronics was even less popular.

The maths is harder.

Were there many fit birds on those courses?

[milanbenes]

no

there was one bird on our course and she looked like a computer

Milan.

[sasguru]

Impossible.

I'm sure Electronics was even less popular.

The maths is harder.

Engineering/Electronics "maths" is pish, compared to real maths.
Pick up any engineering maths book and compare with a real mathematics book.
The former is just a collection of techniques that any monkey can follow, the later requires a high degree of logical thought

[ThomasSoerensen]

There are call centres springing up in Kenya and Tanzania. The locals speak a more understandable kind of English than many Indians, tend to be quite well disposed to providing service, and are prepared to work for even less than Bobs. Added bonus; with life expectancy at 50, you don't even need to give them a pension!

I am currently as part of my role here preparing a shared service center in Ukraine and one in Senegal is on its way.
Does anybody know the diffeence in wages between Europe and Ukraine and Senegal.
I think it will take some time before Europe is cheaper than those places.

[suityou01]

I am currently as part of my role here preparing a shared service center in Ukraine and one in Senegal is on its way.
Does anybody know the diffeence in wages between Europe and Ukraine and Senegal.
I think it will take some time before Europe is cheaper than those places.

Something of an expert on Ukrainian outsourcing. The Ukrainian government have brought in new tax laws which makes outsourcing less attractive than before.

Ukrainian grivna = 0.0787593114 British pounds

Or IIRC 200 Grivna is enough to get properly lagered on for a week and appears as £17 on your bank statement.

[Mich the Tester]

I am currently as part of my role here preparing a shared service center in Ukraine and one in Senegal is on its way.
Does anybody know the diffeence in wages between Europe and Ukraine and Senegal.
I think it will take some time before Europe is cheaper than those places.

Is Senegal primarily serving the Francophone market?

[ThomasSoerensen]

Is Senegal primarily serving the Francophone market?

I believe it will service all of Africa as Europe will be served by Ukraine.

[hyperD]

Engineering/Electronics "maths" is pish, compared to real maths.
Pick up any engineering maths book and compare with a real mathematics book.
The former is just a collection of techniques that any monkey can follow, the later requires a high degree of logical thought

Ouch! I think that's a little harsh and extreme, but essentially true which shouldn't come as a surprise either, considering the target industries. I still remember sweating over Heaviside step functions, Maxwell, Monte Carlo and other completely forgettable equations but even on our proc eng course back then as it switched over to BEng, they dropped a large section of theoretical mathematics. Yes, our course was dumbed down back then!