Becoming really tired of this country's attitude towards human rights

[Mich the Tester]

I'm sorry, what was that about Germany having a good human rights record???

You're not one of those people that can explain away the 6 million pairs of shoes left over from the war are you?

They probably have a good record in recent years but they also have a bit of redressing to do.

Different era, different state, different system of government etc etc. Modern Germany is probably the least likely country in Europe to start a war or to start mass abuse of human rights, precisely because of that experience in the 30s and 40s.

Really, suggesting (explain away the 6 million pairs of shoes) that someone's a holocaust denier because he states that Germany has a good human rights record (granted, record of Federal Republic of Germany since 1945), is a massive Godwin.

[Mich the Tester]

You cannot have it both ways.. it all goes with the territory of being a leftie. Perhaps you need to be a bit more honest with yourself these "rights" and "equality" policies are worn proudly by the left.

Human rights are anything but a leftie concept. The European Convention of Human Rights was written on the orders of Sir W Churchill, not exactly a bleedling heart liberal; it took inspiration to some extent from Jefferson and the US constitution, plus British thinkers like Hobbes, Locke, Bacon, Hume, Smith, Burke etc and European thinkers like Spinoza, documents like Magna Carta and the US and UK bills of rights, none of which can be considered 'leftie' people or concepts.

[gingerjedi]

Really, suggesting (explain away the 6 million pairs of shoes) that someone's a holocaust denier because he states that Germany has a good human rights record (granted, record of Federal Republic of Germany since 1945), is a massive Godwin.

You cant invoke a 'Godwin' when there's such an enormous elephant in the room, it wasn't me that used 'Germany' and 'human rights' in the same sentence.

[DodgyAgent]

Spare me the "high brow" crap.

[Mich the Tester]

Spare me the "high brow" crap.

Then spare us all the low brow crap.

[ThomasSoerensen]

Then spare us all the low brow crap.

I recommend unibrow crap. Classy stuff.

[EternalOptimist]

A week or so ago, NF asked why we were all squabbling over something minor. Cant even remember what it was now.
Anyways, I see this human right malarky in the same way, albeit writ large. I know what happened to the little girl is a massive tradegy for that family, but I take comfort from the fact that if we are arguing about the act, then we dont have much biggers issues, like anhialating each other, to argue about.

[DodgyAgent]

At least I am in the right place

[Bagpuss]

Spare me the "high brow" crap.

I think that translates as (in modern parlance) Pwned

[Alf W]

Without pride and prejudice and not wanting to sound right-wing (I'm anything but)


What would the British press headlines be if this story were in the UK?

Good on the pensioner I say...

Pensioner shoots dead teen intruder - The Local



Instead we have those limp wristed idealists coming out of the woodwork defending people like this..

BBC News - Blackburn death crash driver will not be deported I mean seriously? A man whose family has probably lived here for generations is trumped by this failed asylum seeker? This is wrong.


Throw away the keys for this... why is it even a story.

BBC News - Killer Kearney claims Royal Mail breached human rights

Looking at these three. In the first case you have the right to defend yourself with appropriate force in this country just as you have in Germany. There has to be some rigour around establishing that force was appropriate otherwise you'd have people assaulting and killing other people on their own property and claiming they were being burgled.

Second, the guy was tried, convicted and served his sentence 7 years ago. Done, finished. His wife and kids are the ones with Human Rights as well. Blame the UK Immigration people if you must but I can't see it's fair to deport him now.

Thirdly, this is massively important. Employers can't just be given carte blanche to sack any of their employees who happen to get charged with something. Loads of people are found innocent

Then that's us 'Lefties' always thinking about the people element eh?