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Originally posted by swamp View PostAnd how much will an HS2+ ticket to Glasgow cost? Right now flying is usually cheaper (and quicker) than the train, and any future HS rail will be ludicrously expensive, as evidenced by HS1."A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s the s*** that happens while you’re waiting for moments that never come." -- Lester FreamonComment
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Trains are a nightmare unless you live next to a train station. The journey itself is probably the shortest part of the journey, or should I say epic adventure. It might take me an hour to get to my local train station at rush hour by car, and then I've still got to park and wait for the train. Or two or three buses and then allow 2 or 3 hours. And at the destination, time spend getting where you are wanting to go would probably be worse. And then you've the return journey to contemplate. All at ridiculous high prices and standing up. Horrific.Comment
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Originally posted by Freamon View PostSo your argument against HS2 is that nobody would use it?
Edit: just found this: http://www.kentnews.co.uk/p_12/Artic...rain_companies
Door-to-door journey times [on HS1] are longer and the fares are higher.Last edited by swamp; 12 December 2010, 19:49.Cats are evil.Comment
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Originally posted by swamp View PostThe devil would be in the detail, in particular how much public subsidy it received, and therefore how much the tickets would cost. Domestic services on HS1 are underused because it is too expensive (and it also goes to the 'wrong' station). HS2 to Birmingham would be at the right station (for those in the city centre), but you're buggered if you live in Rugby, Northampton or Milton Keynes. And would anyone pay £1500 a month, say, to commute from Birmingham standard class? (Does London need more commuter towns, for that matter?!)
Edit: just found this: Kent News :: Article :: Even Dick Turpin would be amazed by the gall of the train companies
Door-to-door journey times [on HS1] are longer and the fares are higher."A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It’s the s*** that happens while you’re waiting for moments that never come." -- Lester FreamonComment
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Originally posted by Freamon View PostIt's important to remember that the £33bn quoted is the up-front cost, but the overall economic impact in terms of future improvements to GDP (and therefore tax receipts) would probably bring this down quite a bit.
FFS, if anything QE (aka money printing) should have been used for such infrastructural projects - at least something will remain after it that can be used, rather than buying/selling hot air!Comment
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Originally posted by swamp View PostAnd how much will an HS2+ ticket to Glasgow cost?Comment
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Originally posted by VectraMan View PostLast time I went to New Street, the platforms were huge.
You have to build new railway because existing one is not straight enough - you also can't share it with tulipy local trains, it needs dedicated line - it's like having ADSL over copper is ok-ish, but if you want proper stuff you need fiber optics.Comment
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Originally posted by swamp View Post
There is no need for HS2. Just make the current service a bit better. The Javelin train on HS1 has been a bit of a failure. It's too expensive for most commuters, and it goes to the 'wrong' station.
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It's 1 hour 24 minutes to Birmingham right now. HS2 will cut this to 49 minutes.... £33,000,000,000 so that a few Brummies can attend a meeting in London 35 minutes quicker. I'd rather have an aircraft carrier or two.
If compulsory purchase is a significant part of the cost then why not do a cut-and-cover (or partial cover) tunnel along the line of an existing motorway like the M40, with ventilation holes along the central reservation, and opposite lines stacked one over the other?
Trouble is I suppose the up and down gradients might be a problem, and even the sideways bends could get a bit sharp at 200+ MPH (unless the whole track could be tilted), and the odd river here and there wouldn't help. But one advantage is that the lines would be beyond the reach of young scrotes with paving stones. ..
If the trains go fast enough, I'd have thought their momentum could carry them up quite considerable slopes, albeit at the cost of some slowing down and therefore slightly increased travel time.Work in the public sector? Read the IR35 FAQ hereComment
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Originally posted by OwlHoot View PostIf compulsory purchase is a significant part of the cost then why not do a cut-and-cover (or partial cover) tunnel along the line of an existing motorway like the M40, with ventilation holes along the central reservation, and opposite lines stacked one over the other?
What's significant is desire of some of those affected NOT to have line at all regardless of any compensation.
You have to have this line straight for high speed - a lot of effort and money went into it and it is impossible to keep everyone happy.Comment
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