Times ahead

[Troll]

There is a revolution going on but it's the revolution of global access and mobility. Hopefully it will raise living standards for all of humanity.

How? by flooding the borders of the UK with immigrants ? certainly it will raise the standards of any 3rd worlder landing on these shores - will it be good for the UK long term - can't see how unless there are unlimited jobs here for unskilled workers.

[Doggy Styles]

Charity begins at home. If every other country thought the same way we wouldn't need to wring our hands about them. If they want our help to help themselves, we should, but we are not the world's nanny, it is not our empire.

Too many people? Sort it out yourselves. We don't have room for your perpetual overflow here, otherwise we'll end up with too many people too, then where will you go?

[DieScum]

Charity begins at home. If every other country thought the same way we wouldn't need to wring our hands about them.

So if every country used some form of protectionism then everyone will be better off... ha ha ... nah I do agree that immigration has to be very carefully managed.

The polish stuff has probably been one of biggest immigrations ever nad it's worked out well though.

Long term it also means the UK will have really strong business ties to Eastern Europe, to the detriment of other countries who blocked immigration... but hey France and Germany will have saved lots of jobs in the local Subway for the locals... and a whole generation of the brightest and best of Eastern europe will be speaking English, forming ties in the UK, building businesses in co-operation with the UK.

[PAH]

There are widespread predictions of civil unrest in this country, and people are genuinely worried the pan will boil over. I used to dismiss this out of hand. Now I'm not so sure.

I've had a fear for quite a while that the UK and particularly England will become another Yugoslavia.

The problem of intolerance to others beliefs and culture is widespread and exacerbated by both sides.

One one hand you have the 'natives' who feel the mass immigration of recent times is affecting their way of life, like their land is being invaded on the quiet.

On the other you have large immigrant communities not interested in integrating but of converting the country to their original way (i.e. Sharia Law).

In the middle you have the majority of the population who hope we are civilised enough to deal with this issue with respect and understanding, and hope the extremists on both sides do not grow large enough to endanger the future of us all.

[Flashman]

I'd bet most of us could not claim to be English (I certainly can't).
The UK has been built by immigrants. The guy in your pub is a cretin and just because his racism was tolerated 30 years ago, it doesn''t make it acceptable now.
One should always challenge these morons and I won't STFU.

I'd bet most of us could not claim to be English (I certainly can't).

You don't think that most people in England can claim to be English?

The UK has been built by immigrants.

Errrm wasn't the UK was built by the English, Scots, Welsh and Irish

[GreenerGrass]

Well I don't think there is a problem. It's just the natural human psychological thing of blaming something external for all your problems.

I don't blame anything external, I don't blame immigrants who have nothing coming here to try and earn money, I blame Labour for engineering and encouraging it in the first place.
They are the ones who want to dismantle England in order to grow their client state of dependents who will keep voting for them.

I think they have slipped up on the whole devolution thing though, if Scotland became independent, or even just the SNP won more seats Labour would start to become more vulnerable.
They do have a massive advantage still though, in England alone what with all the boundary changes they have carried out so that the Conservatives need to score 9 or 10% more votes in total just to beat them.

I also think suitsyou's pub rabble rouser sounds like a tit. Although parts of the basic message are probably in tune with about 80% of the population it is discredited by people like the EDL and BNP. The 'left' - from Labour to the anti-democratic thugs in Unite Against Fascism - love the EDL and BNP and need them.
They are brilliant bogeymen for them to focus on, have rucks with, and use as part of New Labour brainwashing so that anyone who opposes mass immigration can be labelled a BNP supporter.
Well until recently that is, I think people have seen through the absurdity of the thought police and are sick of not being able to say what they really think anymore, with momentum building for a shift in collective opinion.

The Conservatives could have picked up the baton but it would be against the nicey nicey image that Dave is trying so very hard to cultivate.
That leaves UKIP as just about the only party that has sensible policies which could help stop the rot. Although they won't get in power hopefully some of their policies will be copied by the Tories once they can get enough naive well meaning fools (e.g. ex-New Labour voters, floating Lib-Dems) on board to win the election with a decent majority.

[gingerjedi]

The Spectator

The root cause of stagnation is a benefit and tax system that reward worklessness and family breakdown, coupled in more recent times with unfettered immigration that saturated the unskilled and low skilled job markets. Widening income inequality and educational attainment, the broken society, the increasing marginalisation of the working classes and the rise of extremism – all have their genus in that analysis.

The largely middle class well-to-do types are not effected in the same way, it's all very well praising the marvellous Polish chappy who fixed your washer dryer for £20 but don't expect the indigenous worker he displaced to be too happy about it.

Lets face it, the situation is only going to get worse over time.

[George Parr]

The Spectator



The largely middle class well-to-do types are not effected in the same way, it's all very well praising the marvellous Polish chappy who fixed your washer dryer for £20 but don't expect the indigenous worker he displaced to be too happy about it.

Lets face it, the situation is only going to get worse over time.

I disagree, the middle classes have been hit hard as well. Think solicitors, estate agents, pub and restaurant owners, car dealers, bank employees (not the fat cats) and, of course, IT folk. State employees aside, most people who work for a living are worse off now.

[Diver]

Read it and weep?

http://www.numbers-uk.org/

Or not!

Make up your own mind.

[GreenerGrass]

The study for the US Air Force by Leon Perkowski in 2006 found that there were at least 15 million Muslims in the EU, and possibly as many as 23 million. According to the US's Migration Policy Institute, residents of Muslim faith will account for more than 20 per cent of the EU population by 2050 but already do so in a number of cities. Another forecast holds that Muslims could outnumber non-Muslims in France and perhaps in all of western Europe by mid-century. (8.8.09)

Why is the US Air Force interested? Are they planning to bomb them or something?